it's a slippery slope though. My first reaction was well to your post was well ok, maybe I mean civilians. But there are no civilians in the current wars, as we have all been told. And we seem to kill a lot of "insurgents" who are six or seven years old. But my issue is the disparity in power and what appears to be the very arbitrary nature of its use.
Apart from the moral question, moreover, I guarantee that those drones are loathed and doing more to radicalize the previoously peaceful than any given cleric the administration singles out. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Eric Roberts < [email protected]> wrote: > > I would disagree Dana. If we can send in a drone to do a job rather than > putting our troops in harm's way, I am all for it. I just would like to > see > more measures to prevent collateral damage. Killing innocent people is > never the answer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:08 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Rand Paul filibustering Brennan nomination for CIA > > > There is something viscerally wrong with sending a drone after someone. > Anywhere, in my opinion. However, if the administration's positon is that > this is just fine even in the United States where most people say the > Constitution precludes this, then I am even more agaist this notion of > theirs. It is wrong. Plain wrong. > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > As far as we know, the President did not revoke anyone's citizenship > > before drone attacks, so there is that. > > > > Furthermore, Holder wouldn't even explicitly rule out drone attacks in > > the US, even in cases that didn't rise to the level of imminent threat. > > > > I agree that the Patriot Act and use of force need to be revisited > > (and > > eviscerated) but I'm not going to give Obama a pass on this one. > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions > > < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I like that it is a talking filibuster, not the crappy silent > > filibuster > > > > that Republicans have been using to obstruct every single thing > > > > that > > the > > > > Senate does. I think that Paul is making some good points and I'm > > > > glad > > to > > > > see that one of my Senators, Ron Wyden (a Democrat mind you) is > > > > joining > > > him > > > > in the filibuster. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's dumb. Let Rand Paul talk till he's blue in the face. > > Congress > > > passed the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force > > > (AUMF).<http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/terrorism/sjres23.es.html> > > > The Act authorized the president to use all "necessary and appropriate > force" > > > against al-Qaeda and its associated forces. > > > > > > This would include Drone Killing. The president could just revoke > > > the citizenship of someone before killing them as well. > > > > > > Under Section 349(a) of the Immigration and Nationality > > > Act<http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1481.html>, > > > a citizen of the United States may be stripped of his citizenship > > > when he intends to relinquish United States nationality, and commits > > > any act of treason, or bears arms against, the United States. > > > > > > Fix your own laws Mr Paul... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:361798 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
