That sounds like an excellent interview, do you have a link you could share? I'd love to listen to it.
As for the Manning case, I definitely see the differences from the Higbie case, but my point was that there are no "acceptable" or, hell, even official avenues for getting this material and concerns to the broader community. It seems, at this point, like there is no accountability or oversight to the defense/intelligence megalith. I have seen my Senator, Ron Wyden, try really hard (along with Tom Udall) to let people know that there are secret interpretations of secret laws and that if people knew what was going on in their name, they'd be really pissed. But those Senators, for a variety of reasons, cannot or will not break out of the restrictions placed on them and really tell the public what is going on. It is only actions from the likes of Manning and Snowden that genuinely push forward the cause of sunlight being shown in some really dark corners. Is it a good way to do it? No. I'd love a much better process that safeguards opsec while still allowing for the flow of information and accountability. Right now that does not exist and it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon. So we have the choice between individual actions of a dubious nature, ala Manning and Snowden, or we have the choice of silence and no accountability. I'm not willing to give in to the later, so I have to support the former while hoping for a better method so we can restore a sense of balance and order. Cheers, Judah On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:24 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[email protected]>wrote: > > Allow me to rephrase slightly. > > I said, 'He wanted to, "start a debate." He was in neither the position > nor the authority to do so.' > > Perhaps that would be better said, "He wanted to "start a debate." Given > his rank (PFC), active duty military status and the channels through which > he decided to utilize he should have realized that his efforts would be > doomed from the start. > > On my podcast we once interviewed former Navy SEAL SO1 Carl Higbie (, who > was forced to leave the service after a politicized chain of command worked > him through the wringer on a book he had written (one critical of the > decisions of the Obama administration). Higbie tried to follow the > appropriate channels and has seen some dangerous repercussions, including a > post-exit change in his discharge status from Honorable to General without > the UCMJ-mandated hearing. (Found a good write-up on it at > http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/citizen-seal/) > > In both cases the military took a dim view of members taking a public route > to express their views. The major difference is that where Higbie > published a book containing only his views and maintained OPSEC, Manning > took documents marked as classified and pushed them out to a website. Had > Manning gone the same route as Higbie we probably wouldn't be talking about > this. > > Until Later! > C. Hatton Humphrey > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com > > Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some > smelting to find it. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > The only people who "have the authority" to start a debate are those that > > have already decided, privately, to pass on it. That is a fundamental > > conundrum. These things are not debated in the open. I do believe that, > in > > some cases, they ought not to. But I fundamentally believe that we should > > have more debate and that the genesis of that debate will not come from > > within the ruling circles that have already bought into the current > > framework. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:366154 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
