I'll send you the associated links directly so as not to derail the thread.
As for the rest, we're in agreement. What I find interesting is the fact that Obama has removed "whistle-blower protection" from his site, and as the Huffington Post article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/obama-whistleblower-website_n_3658815.html mentions, "four national security whistleblowers have said that they became targets of Justice Department investigations after bringing concerns to the Department of Defense Inspector General" All of this leads me to feel that the government (military or not) are playing a, "do as I say, not as I do," game when it comes to the practice. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > That sounds like an excellent interview, do you have a link you could > share? I'd love to listen to it. > > As for the Manning case, I definitely see the differences from the Higbie > case, but my point was that there are no "acceptable" or, hell, even > official avenues for getting this material and concerns to the broader > community. > > It seems, at this point, like there is no accountability or oversight to > the defense/intelligence megalith. I have seen my Senator, Ron Wyden, try > really hard (along with Tom Udall) to let people know that there are secret > interpretations of secret laws and that if people knew what was going on in > their name, they'd be really pissed. But those Senators, for a variety of > reasons, cannot or will not break out of the restrictions placed on them > and really tell the public what is going on. > > It is only actions from the likes of Manning and Snowden that genuinely > push forward the cause of sunlight being shown in some really dark corners. > Is it a good way to do it? No. I'd love a much better process that > safeguards opsec while still allowing for the flow of information and > accountability. Right now that does not exist and it doesn't look like it > will happen any time soon. So we have the choice between individual actions > of a dubious nature, ala Manning and Snowden, or we have the choice of > silence and no accountability. I'm not willing to give in to the later, so > I have to support the former while hoping for a better method so we can > restore a sense of balance and order. > > Cheers, > Judah > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:24 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > Allow me to rephrase slightly. > > > > I said, 'He wanted to, "start a debate." He was in neither the position > > nor the authority to do so.' > > > > Perhaps that would be better said, "He wanted to "start a debate." Given > > his rank (PFC), active duty military status and the channels through > which > > he decided to utilize he should have realized that his efforts would be > > doomed from the start. > > > > On my podcast we once interviewed former Navy SEAL SO1 Carl Higbie (, who > > was forced to leave the service after a politicized chain of command > worked > > him through the wringer on a book he had written (one critical of the > > decisions of the Obama administration). Higbie tried to follow the > > appropriate channels and has seen some dangerous repercussions, > including a > > post-exit change in his discharge status from Honorable to General > without > > the UCMJ-mandated hearing. (Found a good write-up on it at > > http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/citizen-seal/) > > > > In both cases the military took a dim view of members taking a public > route > > to express their views. The major difference is that where Higbie > > published a book containing only his views and maintained OPSEC, Manning > > took documents marked as classified and pushed them out to a website. > Had > > Manning gone the same route as Higbie we probably wouldn't be talking > about > > this. > > > > Until Later! > > C. Hatton Humphrey > > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com > > > > Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do > some > > smelting to find it. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The only people who "have the authority" to start a debate are those > that > > > have already decided, privately, to pass on it. That is a fundamental > > > conundrum. These things are not debated in the open. I do believe that, > > in > > > some cases, they ought not to. But I fundamentally believe that we > should > > > have more debate and that the genesis of that debate will not come from > > > within the ruling circles that have already bought into the current > > > framework. > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:366155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
