Why is it that some atheists get upset when what the believe is a 'belief'?
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < [email protected]> wrote: > > we've hashed this over a bunch of times, but the atheism literally > translates to "without gods", anti-theism would be "against gods". I know > a lot of atheists who could care less what anyone else believes. They just > don't hold a belief in a god or gods. They aren't going out to > prosthelytize or try to change anyones view. At most, they don't want to > be bound by someone else's beliefs or superstitions. > > I'm even that same way with my daughters. I'm letting them make their own > decisions on religions/beliefs. Will I hold it against them if they become > believers? No, I won't.....just the same as it doesn't affect me one way > or the other that their mother is a believer. > > But I do really get tired of people calling my lack of belief in a god(s) a > belief. > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think atheism could fit into #3 on Sam's list. > > > > To be honest, hardcore atheists are as annoying (and frequently more > > annoying) than even the most hardcore religious zealots out there. It > goes > > back to what I have been saying for a while, the closer you get to the > > fringe, the less common sense there is. > > > > I like how David Eagleman explains it - > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0b4QCpFGc > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > ok, so which one do you think atheists belong to? Which one of those > > > classifications does not have a belief > > > > > > sometimes I think religious people can't think any other way than in > the > > > context of a belief. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the > > > > universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman > > > agency > > > > or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and > > > often > > > > containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. > > > > > > > > 2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally > agreed > > > > upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the > > > Buddhist > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > 3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and > > > > practices: a world council of religions. > > > > > > > > 4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion. > > > > > > > > 5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling > > power, > > > > esp. > > > > > a personal God or gods. > > > > > > > > > > That argument about atheism being a religion reminds me of HGTG > > infocom > > > > > game where you carry "no-tea" as an item in your inventory. Of > > course, > > > > in > > > > > that it was meant to be comedy. Unfortunately, in the real world, > > > that's > > > > > not so true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not a lie if it's not an affirmation. If you are religiously > > > > against > > > > > > religion then you should not take the job. Until they cater to > your > > > > > > religious needs that is. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What other qualifications for office do you feel it would be > okay > > > to > > > > > lie > > > > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Sam <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't consider it an affirmation, but I understand if you > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but the point was being made that it's okay if you > > don't > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > because technically it's not lying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a lie is a lie regardless of how easy it is to expose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I apply for office in Texas and I affirm that I believe > > in a > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > power, is that not a lie just because it can't be proven > > > easily? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Scott Stroz < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a lot easier, I think, to verify someone has a > degree > > > > than > > > > > > > verify > > > > > > > > > > that they believe in some kind of deity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:366666 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
