Many children are not given the option of opting out of the recitation... my
HS used to give detention to students who were unwilling to speak the
pledge...

-----Original Message-----
From: Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:26 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: CNN Breaking News


Let me start this by saying that I am in no means trying to attack Beth
or anyone else on the list that is non-Christian... I don't have time
nor do I think this is the right forum to go into religous standings or
histories.

The thing that bothers me is twofold.  On the one hand there is the
strong case for the removal of religous references from national pleges
and other things.  Not everyone practtices the same religion... and in
some cases the same religoun is practiced and interpreted in a wide
veiretly of mindsets.

For that side of the argument, there is the fact that making statements
of "Under God" violates their right to practice the religon of their
choice or even not to practice one.  Most are content to "opt out" of
joining in with the recitation, some find even being exposed to it an
offense.

However, there is the other side of this argument that we do live in a
representative democracy.  The concept that "majority rules" does and
has been the rule of force since the inception of our nation.

The point of this side of the argument can be made in the fact (source:
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html , Top Twenty Religions in the
United States, 2001 (self-identification, ARIS)) that as of 2000, 76.5%
of the population of the Unites States identified themselves as
Christians.  How much of that population is represented by this ruling
and by the trend that we have been on in the last 30 years?

The other thing to note is that these changes and dissenting opinions
have been around for a very long time, but it is only now in an age
where effort is being made to let everyone be happy that it is starting
to become very obvious that not everyone is going to win.  The scenario
of a straight religous vote, assuming that the numbers cited from a
graduate level research project are accurate, are rather telling of that.

What is alarming isn't the ruling that was made, it's the apathy that
most of the American public will view it with.  That's the part of this
that really bothers me.  We can debate it until everone is pissed at
everyone else and we've degraded to personal attacks, but we're a very,
very small percentage of the population.

The apathy in what the system is doing to us will tear this nation apart
long before the actions being taken do.

Hatton

Beth Fleischer wrote:

>>Then guess what, you don't have to say it.  I don't agree with forcing
>>someone to say it, but at least stand and show respect for the
>>flag and
>>what it represents.
>>
>
> The flag doesn't represent a country under god, it represents a
> country.  And in our country one has the freedom to not show respect
> for this country.  I am proud of that.
>
> You are welcome to optionally say "under god" if you like, but it
> shouldnt' be officially in the pledge.
>
>
>>You turned out fine though, didn't you? ;)
>>
>
>
> Actually I turned out with a great caution for you folks who think this
> country has anything to do with god on an offical level.
>
>

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