Yeah sometims it is....though sometimes it's the religious people who ARE "living out their creed" that are the REALLY scary ones...and you prefer the ones who just talk it, but don't walk it!
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > religion of most kinds. All too often its words not deeds. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:58 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > By "skeptic" do you mean "skeptical of organized religion in general, and > > Catholicism in particular?" > > > > If so, me too. I was raised Catholic, but just couldn't deal with the > > pointless bureaucracy and the unyielding and unrealistic adherence to > > backwards morality (contraception) and human-constructed institutions of > > bias (homosexuality). I just figured these were so entrenched that there > > was no way the Capital C "Catholic Church" would ever address them....so > I > > basically gave up. > > > > Now to read some of these words.......i remain skeptical, but I've never > > seen a Pope talk like this...and truly never thought I would. Will be > VERY > > interesting to see what happens with the world's largest religion over > the > > next decade or so. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > FWIW here is the actual interview, for a skeptic I'm very impressed. > > > > > > http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A few more: > > > > > > > > "The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things," the pope > > > said, > > > > "in small-minded rules." > > > > > > > > "The people of God want pastors," Francis continued, "not clergy > acting > > > > like bureaucrats or government officials." > > > > "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage > and > > > the > > > > use of contraceptive methods," he told his Jesuit interviewer. "I > have > > > not > > > > spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that." > > > > > > > > "It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time," > Francis > > > > said. > > > > > > > > (SMALL MINDED THINGS! I love it!) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't say that out loud. The Evangelists might burn him at the > stake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Jerry, go read the latest interview just released with > Francis. > > > His > > > > > > frank statements are outstanding: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?hp&_r=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > My favorites: > > > > > > > > > > > > A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved > of > > > > > > homosexuality, he told Father Spadaro. I replied with another > > > > question: > > > > > > Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the > > > existence > > > > > of > > > > > > this person with love, or reject and condemn this person? We > must > > > > always > > > > > > consider the person. > > > > > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, > > > not a > > > > > > small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected > people, > > he > > > > > said. > > > > > > We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest > > > > > protecting > > > > > > our mediocrity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dare I say that we have a major Christian leader > > > > > acting.....Christ-like???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Catholic Church is such an interesting dichotomy. It's > really > > > two > > > > > > very > > > > > > > separate entities...there's "The Catholic Church", with it's > > > Capital > > > > C > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it's structured leadership and weird doctrines going back > > thousands > > > > of > > > > > > > years that have to be followed and protected at all costs and > > it's > > > > > strict > > > > > > > dogma and practices and blah blah blah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there's "the catholic church"....the actual > followers...the > > > > every > > > > > > day > > > > > > > catholics that you meet on the street. By and large, they are > > > pretty > > > > > > > normal. Not prone to evangelicalism or zealotry. They love > their > > > > vices, > > > > > > > specially drinking and gambling. They usually take their faith > > > "sorta > > > > > > > seriously"...going to church here and there. They certainly > don't > > > > > concern > > > > > > > themselves much with Rome or the weird goings on of that > Capital > > C > > > > > church > > > > > > > structure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What this pope seems to be doing...is to bridge that gap a > little > > > bit > > > > > by > > > > > > > bringing that Capital C a bit more in line with the every day > > > > > > > catholic...and how they see the world and live their lives. The > > > > average > > > > > > > catholic is married....why shouldn't priests be? The average > > > catholic > > > > > has > > > > > > > no problem with gays...why should the Church? The average > > catholic > > > > uses > > > > > > > contraception and family planning and....on and on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an interesting dynamic to watch. I wish Francis well! > He's a > > > > > > complete > > > > > > > 180 from that ogre of a pope who, rightfully, resigned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> The fascinating part is he has ME questioning and reexamining > > and > > > > > > >> rethinking MY faith, even though I am not Catholic. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> To me, that is awe inspiring AND just about the definition of > > what > > > > he > > > > > > >> should be doing for his Church, and for the world. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > He's been great. From personally calling the > > single-mother-to-be > > > > > that > > > > > > >> had > > > > > > >> > written him, to suggesting....finally...that celibacy > amongst > > > > > priests > > > > > > is > > > > > > >> > NOT part of church doctrine, but instead a stupid > traditional > > > > > practice > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > >> > needs to end. ("stupid traditional practice" were my words > :) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Also his comments on homosexuality have been encouraging, > > > > especially > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > "who am i to judge?" comment awhile back. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >> > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Actually, I submit he is _biblically_ conservative, and he > > is > > > > > > correct > > > > > > >> > that > > > > > > >> > > the recent negative focus has harmed the church. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > So far, he is my kind of pope. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Here's the full article. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&smid=tw-share > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > It appears that the guy the conclave elected was not the > > > > > > >> conservative > > > > > > >> > > they > > > > > > >> > > > hoped for. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > > > > > > >> > [email protected] > > > > > > >> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Just saw this tweet > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What a remarkable man. MT @lauriegnyt < > > > > > > >> > https://twitter.com/lauriegnyt > > > > > > >> > > >: > > > > > > >> > > > > Pope says church too obsessed w/abortion, gay > > marriage & > > > > > > >> > > contraception. > > > > > > >> > > > > http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d <http://t.co/07HWEfaE2d> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > >> > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > >> > > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > > > > >> > > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > > >> > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > >> > > > web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons > > > > > > >> > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:367253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
