Thanks Jerry, a much better explanation than I'm capable of. On Jul 15, 2014 12:31 PM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. > > You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral > culpability" I believe. > > And I don't think it falls on any one group. > > Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the situation to > sink to the point they have to. > Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well the > consequences of their actions. > The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists their > elected government, knowing full well the type of government to expect. > The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops are > culpable. > Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. > The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into those > camps, and using them as pawns. > Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. > America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better > solution 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. > > There are degrees of culpability. > > But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me > solidify). > > There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. None. > Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping their > military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to force a response > from Israel, causing destruction and death to their own people, and then > crying foul. > > They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! > > All else flows from those rockets. > > And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only tactic. > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any counter > > attacks. > > > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, rather, > > who is responsible for the deaths. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized by > Egypt. > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles > > > On Jul 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles into > > > > Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make them stop or > > > > they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, Mexico called, > > > > emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the houses, churches and > > > > schools that were firing the missiles explaining when and where the > > > > bombs would land. If the ranchers rallied more people to go to the > > > > target sites to die for the cause than that's on the ranchers and the > > > > people that showed up at the scheduled time. Unless Mexico went to > the > > > > sites and checked, how would they know if civilians were there? Then > > > > you have to say to yourself, if these people are willing to die to > > > > send a message, they are probably willing to strap a bomb on and go > to > > > > a crowded market so good riddance. But no, the Mexican government > > > > sends more notices pleading people to leave the targets at the given > > > > times, they use more precise weapons to limit casualties and they > > > > still get called the terrorist. It's called propaganda and you are > > > > buying into it. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and > civilians > > > that > > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would be > > absolved > > > > of > > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we like, > > but > > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371551 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
