They can't...Israel wouldn't let them and we would back Israel.  Israelis
could be raping toddlers in the streets and the US would unconditionally
support them.  That is the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:03 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel...


We are talking about this particular incident chain, not general terms, so
this seems like an attempt at threadjacking, but sure, I'll answer.

If I was in their place, I'd take a page from the Israel book.  They are
tiny, surrounded by a lot of hostile forces. But they have a great deal of
international sympathy and backers.  I'd work to focus efforts on internal
self sufficiency while appealing broadly for aid.  Strengthen the borders
and be prepared to defend them vigorously. Don't attack externally and try
to take more land before you even have a well-established region. Show a
commitment to building a strong local market, to build an oasis, even in the
shadow of very hostile neighbors.

That's how you become attractive to the international community, how you
build your case for an established homeland and independence, how you
undermine the racist and awful arguments being lobbed every day from the
worst parts of Israeli society and government. That's how you win.

Judah


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Eric Roberts <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Judah...these missiles are not being fired for shits and 
> giggles...they are being fired because of Israeli oppression.  The 
> constant state of siege on Gaza.  The constant incursion of Israeli 
> settlers...plus many many other reasons.  Netenyahu even came out and 
> said that he doesn't support a 2 state solution.  His party never has.  
> As long as Israel keeps encroaching on Palestininan territory and the 
> human rights of the Palestinian people...the missiles will continue to 
> come.  They have violated every agreement that has brought peace.  If 
> you were in the Palestinian's shoes...what would you do?
> Just give up and let Israel steamroll you?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:25 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel...
>
>
> I get what you and Scott are saying, but what is Israel supposed to do?
> They are having a rather large number of missiles fired at them. Some 
> of them to parts of Israel that no one thought they could reach. A 
> ground force would be a huge escalation and the potential house to 
> house combat could easily end up with as many civilians killed as air 
> assault, though Hamas weapons might do more of the killing in that 
> case. And there would be a great many more Israeli deaths.
>
> I absolutely do not believe that the aerial assault is the right thing 
> to do on the part of Israel. But I also don't see what other options 
> they have at this point. They should have gone down a very different 
> political route well before this round of escalation, but they didn't. 
> I fault them for that.
> But
> at this point, they are being attacked and I don't see a way to 
> respond that does not incur significant civilian casualties because 
> the legitimate targets (the ones firing the missiles) are mixed into a 
> dense civilian population.
>
> Short of a cease fire that both sides can agree to, this is just going 
> to play out as a tragedy on both sides.
>
> Judah
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > ᐧ
> > Yeah.
> >
> > After demolishing buildings, slaughtering entire families...they 
> > call a cease fire.
> >
> > right.
> >
> > I stand by my view that it should never have happened in the first
place.
> > Use of force on that scale,and with so many civilian casualties 
> > should never be justified.
> >
> > On 15 July 2014 10:06, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized by
> Egypt.
> > >
> > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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