Using White Phosphorous munitions on civilian targets. Targeting hospitals and schools and civilian neighborhoods. Massacring civilians.
-----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... War crimes, do tell On Jul 15, 2014 1:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" <[email protected]> wrote: > > We are also responsible for buying Israel's weapons of war and for not > recognizing the Hamas government and guiding into a more peaceful > mode. By not recognizing a democratically elected government, we > forced it further into the shadows and further into violence as they > feel very betrayed and don't trust anyone as an honest broker. We are > also responsible for not holding Israel accountable for their excess and for their war crimes. > Every > attempt by the UN to do so was vetoed by us. Prior to the 1st Gulf > War, Israel had more sanction proposals levied against them that > Saddam's Iraq did...by like 3 times. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. > > You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral > culpability" I believe. > > And I don't think it falls on any one group. > > Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the > situation to sink to the point they have to. > Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well the > consequences of their actions. > The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists > their elected government, knowing full well the type of government to expect. > The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops > are culpable. > Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. > The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into > those camps, and using them as pawns. > Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. > America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better > solution > 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. > > There are degrees of culpability. > > But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me > solidify). > > There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. None. > Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping > their military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to force > a response from Israel, causing destruction and death to their own > people, and then crying foul. > > They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! > > All else flows from those rockets. > > And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only tactic. > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any > > counter attacks. > > > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, > > rather, who is responsible for the deaths. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized by > Egypt. > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles On > > > Jul 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles > > > > into Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make > > > > them stop or they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, > > > > Mexico called, emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the > > > > houses, churches and schools that were firing the missiles > > > > explaining when and where the bombs would land. If the ranchers > > > > rallied more people to go to the target sites to die for the > > > > cause than that's on the ranchers and the people that showed up > > > > at the scheduled time. Unless Mexico went to the sites and > > > > checked, how would they know if civilians were there? Then you > > > > have to say to yourself, if these people are willing to die to > > > > send a message, they are probably willing to strap a bomb on and > > > > go to a crowded market so good riddance. But no, the Mexican > > > > government sends more notices pleading people to leave the > > > > targets at the given times, they use more precise weapons to > > > > limit casualties and they still get called the terrorist. It's called propaganda and you are buying into it. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz > > > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and > > > > > civilians > > > that > > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would be > > absolved > > > > of > > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we > > > > > like, > > but > > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371582 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
