No...it wasn't flares...it was explosive ordinace. Taught by who? Atilla the Hun? If you were taught what they have done is OK, then the Army sure has changed A LOT since I was in. Israel has never avoided collateral damage.
-----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:21 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... In the first instance you're talking about flares, not an offensive weapon. The others aren't war crimes, they have acted within the rules of land warfare as I've been taught them. Civilian population used as shields have the same legal rights as sand bags. They've gone out of their way to avoid collateral damage. On Jul 15, 2014 3:07 PM, "Eric Roberts" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Using White Phosphorous munitions on civilian targets. Targeting > hospitals and schools and civilian neighborhoods. Massacring civilians. > > -----Original Message----- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:55 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > War crimes, do tell > On Jul 15, 2014 1:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > We are also responsible for buying Israel's weapons of war and for > > not recognizing the Hamas government and guiding into a more > > peaceful mode. By not recognizing a democratically elected > > government, we forced it further into the shadows and further into > > violence as they feel very betrayed and don't trust anyone as an > > honest broker. We are also responsible for not holding Israel > > accountable for their excess and > for their war crimes. > > Every > > attempt by the UN to do so was vetoed by us. Prior to the 1st Gulf > > War, Israel had more sanction proposals levied against them that > > Saddam's Iraq did...by like 3 times. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:31 AM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > > > > As with most things, I don't see it so cut-and-dry. > > > > You are not really talking "responsibility", you are talking "moral > > culpability" I believe. > > > > And I don't think it falls on any one group. > > > > Israel is culpable for firing the weapon. And for allowing the > > situation to sink to the point they have to. > > Hamas is culpable for "forcing" Israel to fire, knowing full well > > the consequences of their actions. > > The civilians who elected Hamas are culpable for making terrorists > > their elected government, knowing full well the type of government > > to > expect. > > The civilians who allow rocket launchers on their apartment rooftops > > are culpable. > > Iran and Syria and China are culpable for arming Hamas with rockets. > > The Arab countries are responsible for forcing the Palestinians into > > those camps, and using them as pawns. > > Egypt is culpable for keeping the Gaza borders locked down. > > America is culpable for arming Israel. And for not forcing a better > > solution > > 10 years ago. and 20. and 40. > > > > There are degrees of culpability. > > > > But I guess here is my bottom line (that these talks have helped me > > solidify). > > > > There is no excuse or reason for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel. None. > > Zero. Not helping their cause, not helping their people, not helping > > their military objectives. The ONLY point for them to fire is to > > force a response from Israel, causing destruction and death to their > > own people, and then crying foul. > > > > They are the Suarez of the Middle East. Ow! Hit hit my mouth! > > > > All else flows from those rockets. > > > > And nothing else good will come to them while that is their only tactic. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hamas would be responsible for any deaths from those missiles. > > > > > > Israel would be responsible for any deaths resulting from any > > > counter attacks. > > > > > > As I mentioned to Sam, I think you guys are conflating the words > > > 'responsible' and 'justified'. > > > > > > I am not talking about whether any of these actions is justified, > > > rather, who is responsible for the deaths. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized > > > > by > > Egypt. > > > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles On > > > > Jul 15, 2014 9:56 AM, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're going to analogize, at least put it in perspective. > > > > > Let's say ranchers in CA, TX and AZ constantly fired missiles > > > > > into Mexico every day. Mexico tells the US government to make > > > > > them stop or they will fire back and the US did nothing. Then, > > > > > Mexico called, emailed, texted and dropped leaflets to the > > > > > houses, churches and schools that were firing the missiles > > > > > explaining when and where the bombs would land. If the > > > > > ranchers rallied more people to go to the target sites to die > > > > > for the cause than that's on the ranchers and the people that > > > > > showed up at the scheduled time. Unless Mexico went to the > > > > > sites and checked, how would they know if civilians were > > > > > there? Then you have to say to yourself, if these people are > > > > > willing to die to send a message, they are probably willing to > > > > > strap a bomb on and go to a crowded market so good riddance. > > > > > But no, the Mexican government sends more notices pleading > > > > > people to leave the targets at the given times, they use more > > > > > precise weapons to limit casualties and they still get called > > > > > the terrorist. It's > called propaganda and you are buying into it. > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Scott Stroz > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OK..so if Mexico launched an attack on the White House and > > > > > > civilians > > > > that > > > > > > lived or worked near the intended target died, Mexico would > > > > > > be > > > absolved > > > > > of > > > > > > those deaths as long as they warned us ahead of time? > > > > > > > > > > > > And, sorry, but they are still 'people'. maybe not people we > > > > > > like, > > > but > > > > > > people nonetheless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, absolutely befuddled this is coming from you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371594 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
