Yes, the individual pieces could have (and should have) been individually created and voted on.
But the people who crafted the bill realized in order to get ALL of the pieces they wanted passed, they needed to "bundle", as Frank Fretz would say. This is the same tactic that Mass Republicans used to get Romneycare through that state's voters. My understanding is the current increase in price for people, for the most part, are caused by a) better coverage (requiring insufficient insurance plans to improve to a base lever). Secondly, yes, insurance companies and health providers are building in as much profit as they can in the 2 years before the rules kick in and they get jerked up on the end of their leash, and have to balance profit against actual spending on health coverage. What I think is a crime is in the years since the law was passed, the legislature has not passed any bills to improve it. Control costs. Increase efficiency. Right any wrongs. Voting symbolically to repeal the law is lazy and dishonest. If there are things wrong with the law (and there are many), FIX THEM! There is definitely a loss in individual freedoms caused by the individual mandate. But the previous system was NOT working, and costs have been growing out of control for a decade or more. Health care costs and growth is still seen as the single biggest threat to our economy by business prognosticators. Quality of life and cost of living will continue to slip, and we will continue to lose ground to all the other developed nations, if we cannot get this under better control. On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:53 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's basically my feeling in it at this point. > > The insurance for my kids went up $400 a month. > On Nov 14, 2014 12:51 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I wonder why those beneficial requirements couldn't be included in a much > > less expansive bill....one that kept the rest of the system pretty much > in > > tact? > > > > I'm curious to hear from anyone who simply could not get insurance > before, > > but now has a nice shiny new affordable plan in place. Wasn't that > supposed > > to be the major benefit of this? I'm paying a helluva lot more these > > days....and I just wonder where that money is going? Is it going to help > > other people...my peers as it were...or is it lining some fat cats' > pocket? > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The change in rules allowed me to get medicaid. > > > > > > Beats the hell out if just having VA coverage. > > > > > > I hate to be supportive of any of it, but there are a few decent things > > in > > > there like Jerry mentioned and no previously existing conditions. > > > On Nov 14, 2014 12:19 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Cool. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, both specifically in Massachusetts (Romneycare), and I will be > > > > greatly > > > > > helped by the "cannot be denied if you switch jobs" part of it. > > > > > > > > > > The fact that without it (and with the changes insurance companies > > had > > > > been > > > > > moving towards) I would lose healthcare for pre-existing conditions > > > > (type 1 > > > > > diabetes) means i could not switch jobs, which basically puts me in > > an > > > > > indentured servant class. > > > > > > > > > > My sister's family was helped by better costs in Connecticut, for > > > better > > > > > healthcare coverage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Army uses try care for his medical benefits. It conforms with > > > Obama > > > > > > care so nothing is changed for me > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 5S > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:39 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious, is there anyone on this list who has personally > > > > benefited > > > > > > > from ObamaCare? I'm not looking for political bullshit, or > > > > > > he-said-she-said > > > > > > > crap....just wondering....it has to have helped SOMEONE, right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to hear about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Sam <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I see the WP finally mentioned him but it's kind of a puff > peace > > > > about > > > > > > >> how he's worth the $400k he was paid by the government. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> . > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Bruce Sorge < > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> They are not interviews, their speeches. And Washington Post > > > > actually > > > > > > >> picked it up as well now > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372931 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
