Mikey-

would that be a veiled threat?
;-)

-Ben

> I was joking with Judith last night about it. I wished I was a cartoonist. A 
> panel of bin ladin masturbating over a picture of a woman in a full covering 
> showing her ankle and him saying "yeh baby, show that skin". The image was 
> actually hilarious at the time but it may have just been the time. :)
> 
> 
> > Wouldn't be anything worth seeing.
> > 
> > Ankles and Faces. I get more skin than that walking down the street.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:41 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Why separation of church and state is important
> > > 
> > > I missed that when I read the first report of this a few days back. If
> > ANY
> > > country hacks into an American site then they are in the wrong, no
> > matter
> > > what. I don't care if its blasphemy, porn or what. If its legal in
> > America
> > > and they don't like it, to bad. They can block it on their side but
> > they
> > > have NO RIGHT at all to perform an attack like that. The same goes in
> > the
> > > other direction. If we don't like what they're saying then we can
> > block
> > > them. Actually, I don't think we can block them. Freedom of speech
> > might
> > > apply to them as well.
> > > Of course, I'm talking friendly countries here. If there's a war on
> > then
> > > all bets are off. We find bin ladin's porn collection, we rip it down.
> > > 
> > > > Well I would see the fact that the Italian Police hacked the
> > privately
> > > owned
> > > > server of an American company cause for worry.  Why isn't the US
> > > Government
> > > > stepping in to protect our interest and freedoms.  Does that mean
> > > countries
> > > > that don't like porn can just start shutting those sites down. (Ahhh
> > > perish
> > > > the thought :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim Heald
> > > > Developer
> > > > School Link, Inc.
> > > > 910.223.2116 x 122
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.schoollink.net <http://www.schoollink.net>
> > > > Providing technology solutions for educators
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:16 AM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Why seperation of church and state is important
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > While I don't agree with blasphemy laws, I have to respect the laws
> > of
> > > other
> > > > countries as long as they do not interfere with the laws of where I
> > > live. If
> > > > Italy wants to charge people for having a critical discussion about
> > the
> > > > Christian messiah, then they have every right to as a sovereign
> > nation.
> > > But
> > > > if they come into my home with their laws I'm going to be pissed.
> > > > That's one of the major fears of some people with many internet
> > security
> > > > laws going around. What law takes precedence? Can I, an American who
> > > will
> > > > never visit Saudi Arabia (I'm not allowed as a Jew) be charged with
> > > > violating one of their online laws? Will an Egyptian member of the
> > list
> > > be
> > > > in trouble for reading this? Who's laws take precedence?
> > > > If anyone thinks that I'm going to bow to their laws, especially
> > > religious
> > > > ones, then I've got some very choice words for them.
> > > > Looks like that invitation to the CFUG in Pakistan is out. :)
> > > > (I'm actually very happy to hear that there is one there)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think this is less about seperation of church and state and more
> > to
> > > do
> > > > with
> > > > > boundries of free speech. The internet has encroached on several
> > > countries
> > > > > laws regarding their citizens rights to free speach and freedom of
> > > > religion. I
> > > > > myself believe in the constitution of the United States and enjoy
> > all
> > > our
> > > > > freedoms, but who are we to preach our ways to others. I know...I
> > > > know...the
> > > > > leaders of the free world.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Douglas Brown
> > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Why seperation of church and state is important
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > My people learned a loooong time ago to just smile, nod and not
> > say
> > > a
> > > > thing
> > > > > on the topic. Torture can do that to a people. Charges, fines and
> > > > imprisonment
> > > > > are just more current (and humane) versions of the same thing.
> > > > > > Note that this thread WILL get to the point where any of us can
> > be
> > > > arrested
> > > > > for the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For all the non-Americans who always wonder why it's
> > important...
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/07/22/borderless.internet.ap/index
> > h
> > > tm
> > > > l
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The point is not the that the Italian cops deleted his stuff,
> > but
> > > what
> > > > > > > he is charged with....Blasphemy. I was surprised to learn that
> > > it's
> > > > > > > even illegal in England. Speak out against Jesus in England
> > and
> > > you
> > > > > > > might get arrested...that I didn't know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > jon
> > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> 
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