he said sheepishly. larry
-- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:07 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Why separation of church and state is important > > > that was baaaaaaaaad > > > That's ok, I'm not all about goats any way. /me ducks under > the muffin pans > > > > Tim Heald > > Developer > > School Link, Inc. > > 910.223.2116 x 122 > > > > > > http://www.schoollink.net > > Providing technology solutions for educators > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:41 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Why separation of church and state is important > > > > > > I missed that when I read the first report of this a few > days back. If ANY > > country hacks into an American site then they are in the > wrong, no matter > > what. I don't care if its blasphemy, porn or what. If its > legal in America > > and they don't like it, to bad. They can block it on their > side but they > > have NO RIGHT at all to perform an attack like that. The > same goes in the > > other direction. If we don't like what they're saying then > we can block > > them. Actually, I don't think we can block them. Freedom of > speech might > > apply to them as well. > > Of course, I'm talking friendly countries here. If there's > a war on then all > > bets are off. We find bin ladin's porn collection, we rip it down. > > > > > Well I would see the fact that the Italian Police hacked > the privately > > owned > > > server of an American company cause for worry. Why isn't the US > > Government > > > stepping in to protect our interest and freedoms. Does that mean > > countries > > > that don't like porn can just start shutting those sites > down. (Ahhh > > perish > > > the thought :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Heald > > > Developer > > > School Link, Inc. > > > 910.223.2116 x 122 > > > > > > > > > http://www.schoollink.net <http://www.schoollink.net> > > > Providing technology solutions for educators > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:16 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Why seperation of church and state is important > > > > > > > > > While I don't agree with blasphemy laws, I have to > respect the laws of > > other > > > countries as long as they do not interfere with the laws > of where I live. > > If > > > Italy wants to charge people for having a critical > discussion about the > > > Christian messiah, then they have every right to as a > sovereign nation. > > But > > > if they come into my home with their laws I'm going to be pissed. > > > That's one of the major fears of some people with many > internet security > > > laws going around. What law takes precedence? Can I, an > American who will > > > never visit Saudi Arabia (I'm not allowed as a Jew) be > charged with > > > violating one of their online laws? Will an Egyptian > member of the list be > > > in trouble for reading this? Who's laws take precedence? > > > If anyone thinks that I'm going to bow to their laws, > especially religious > > > ones, then I've got some very choice words for them. > > > Looks like that invitation to the CFUG in Pakistan is out. :) > > > (I'm actually very happy to hear that there is one there) > > > > > > > > > > I think this is less about seperation of church and > state and more to do > > > with > > > > boundries of free speech. The internet has encroached on several > > countries > > > > laws regarding their citizens rights to free speach and > freedom of > > > religion. I > > > > myself believe in the constitution of the United States > and enjoy all > > our > > > > freedoms, but who are we to preach our ways to others. > I know...I > > > know...the > > > > leaders of the free world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Brown > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Why seperation of church and state is important > > > > > > > > > > > > > My people learned a loooong time ago to just smile, > nod and not say a > > > thing > > > > on the topic. Torture can do that to a people. Charges, > fines and > > > imprisonment > > > > are just more current (and humane) versions of the same thing. > > > > > Note that this thread WILL get to the point where any > of us can be > > > arrested > > > > for the same. > > > > > > > > > > > For all the non-Americans who always wonder why > it's important... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/07/22/borderless.interne t.ap/index.htm > > l > > > > > > > > > > The point is not the that the Italian cops deleted his stuff, but > what > > > > > he is charged with....Blasphemy. I was surprised to learn that it's > > > > > even illegal in England. Speak out against Jesus in England and you > > > > > might get arrested...that I didn't know. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > jon > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. 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