>>If you are born here I can totally >>understand disagreeing with the way thing are, and wanting to do something >>about it.
So if you're not born here you should have no say in what should be changed? Here's a great law to put up for vote: all non-US born citizens pay 2 x income tax. Extra revenues will be deducted from the taxes to be paid by US born citizens. Oh, and only US born citizens can vote on this. Even take a software piece/custom tag/fb3 circuit app that ALMOST did what you wanted, and then you tweaked it a little? If you had to tweak it a little, why didn't you start from scratch? Matt >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:48 AM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others >> >>Ok, >> So you moved to this country, with a knowledge that you dislike the >>way >>it's government does things. Why would you do that? I mean you came here >>from another country presumably Canada (I think you mentioned something >>along those lines once). Was the decision to originally move here purely >>economic? I guess I would ask any new immigrant 1 question that I would >>want an honest answer to. It would have to be an essay question I guess. >>Please summarize and to the best of your knowledge explain the reasons for >>and meaning of the constitution of the united states. >> >> I don't say if you don't like it leave. If you are born here I can >>totally >>understand disagreeing with the way thing are, and wanting to do something >>about it. My problem is if you aren't born here, and want to change >>things. >>I mean why come here in the first place, there has to be something here >>better than where ever you are coming from right? >> >> I have made it clear that I would like to see sweeping changes made >>to our >>government to see it returned to the constitutional republic from whence >>it >>came (I love that phrase :). However, I was born here. I have served in >>our armed forces. I vote in every election. I support candidates, I >>write >>letters, I sign petitions. I am proactive in regards to my opinions. I >>am >>not someone from the outside, who may not even understand our system of >>government, and what it means to us in both a legal and a cultural sense. >> >> Don't leave. Just don't come in the first place unless you like >>what you >>see. >> >>Tim >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:33 AM >>> To: CF-Community >>> Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others >>> >>> >>> I am an immigrant. I am going for my citizenship later this year. >>> >>> to quote Isaac Dealey in response to what you imply: >>> >>> > And I say this: >>> > >>> > Just like America, if you don't like it, LEAVE! >>> > >>> > Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> I've never cared for this statement... I don't much care for the US >>gov't, >>> laws, policies ( foreign or domestic ) etc. but it's not always as easy >>as >>> "shut up or get out" ... Some of us actually would like to change >>> the things >>> we find troublesome or sometimes downright "wrong" about the way this >>> country operates, because we don't want to leave our families, friends >>or >>> homes behind to move out of the country. Even for those of us who may >>not >>> care to stay in the country, leaving isn't always an easy thing to do >>> either. It usually means finding a job in another country or learning >>> another language or both. >>> >>> We cultural critics don't present our criticisms necessarily because we >>> dislike the people here or because we think some place else is better, >>but >>> because we see things we feel need to change. Often we also don't know >>how >>> to go about changing these things we feel need to change, or rather, >>don't >>> have ready-made solutions, and so a lot of people see us as being >>> "whiners"... but really we're just trying to raise awareness of various >>> things we see as problems. >>> >>> I do agree however that anyone who has problems with the ways the list >>or >>> HoF are managed ought to present their complaints in a civil and >>> professional manner to the list or otherwise in any manner to Mike in >>> private email. >>> >>> Isaac Dealey >>> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer >>> >>> www.turnkey.to >>> 954-776-0046 >>> -- >>> >>> this about says it all on the topic. One can be critical of something or >>> those one may care about. Its a difficult concept to grasp. deal with >>it. >>> >>> larry >>> -- >>> Larry C. Lyons >>> ColdFusion/Web Developer >>> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >>> EBStor.com >>> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >>> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 >>> tel: (703) 393-7930 >>> fax: (703) 393-2659 >>> Web: http://www.ebstor.com >>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >>> -- >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:28 AM >>> > To: CF-Community >>> > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others >>> > >>> > >>> > I was speaking as relates to his past express opinions on >>> > this list. It's >>> > funny that as one of the people who knocks many of our >>> > policies, he still >>> > wants to immigrate here. >>> > >>> > Tim >>> > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:05 AM >>> > > To: CF-Community >>> > > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Timothy >>> > > >>> > > Stalin made that quote in the 1930's and has been quoted by both >>> > > on the left >>> > > and the right. One example is McCarthy who used it in a >>> > speech to his >>> > > infamous Committee on un-American Activities. All that type >>> > of insinuation >>> > > does is demonizes those that may think differently from convention. >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Larry C. Lyons >>> > > ColdFusion/Web Developer >>> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >>> > > EBStor.com >>> > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >>> > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 >>> > > tel: (703) 393-7930 >>> > > fax: (703) 393-2659 >>> > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com >>> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. >>> > > -- >>> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:00 PM >>> > > > To: CF-Community >>> > > > Subject: RE: Some people are more equal as others >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Why am I not surprised that you can quote Stalin? >>> > > > >>> > > > Timothy Heald >>> > > > ACP/CCFD :) >>> > > > 910-425-9988 >>> > > > >>> > > > Manager Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group >>> > > > http://www.fcfug.org >>> > > > >>> > > > Fusebox Advisory Committee Member >>> > > > http://www.fusebox.org >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:04 PM >>> > > > To: CF-Community >>> > > > Subject: Re: Some people are more equal as others >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > William H. Bowen wrote: >>> > > > > Of course, at the same time, the rest of the world >>> > broke their necks >>> > > > racing >>> > > > > at great speeds to help out. >>> > > > >>> > > > Some even broke their necks racing to help people deeper in. >>> > > > I can think >>> > > > of at least 4 countries (2 African and 2 European). But the >>> > > > thought that >>> > > > this tpe of calculation is actually made (even apart from the >>> > > > outcome of >>> > > > it) just doesn't feel right. >>> > > > >>> > > > And do you know what is scary? Hearing these numbers >>> > doesn't even make >>> > > > me angry, just sad. Sad of what a place this world is. >>> > Sad that when I >>> > > > take a god look at some of the classes I follow in Uni, they >>> > > > teach me to >>> > > > do exactly this type of calculation. But in the end I >>> > will just shrug >>> > > > and go on. >>> > > > Sometimes I wonder whether I should be disturbed by myself. >>> > > > >>> > > > Jochem >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. >>> > > > - Joseph Stalin >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
