Ruby Ridge? Waco? I am sure that you feel the unsubstantiated rumors of child molestation, and drug were more than enough reason to kill the dividians without trial right? Or the simple fact that a man didn't think the same way as the rest of us was enough of a reason to kill his wife, son and friend.
>I have seen several studies that show that having a gun is no insurance whatsoever against violent crime. I would really like to know who did that research, and who they worked for. You have to be very careful in this arena. The CDC was actually reprimanded for putting out reports based on next to nothing a few years ago. I will admit that most of my data comes second hand through the NRA and Jew's for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Not all of it though. The reading I have done on the FBI and DoJ sites has led me to believe that no matter how strict you make laws on gun ownership and possession, criminals will still find a way to get them. I do have to admit that I have used a gun in non-military self-defense on 2 occasions, once stopping an attempted rape while I was living in Maine, so I have a personal interest in this as well. Beth we might as well not even argue this point. I don't even understand how you can take your stance. The only reason that gun laws have been allowed to pass successfully in this nation is because of people's "feelings". Fact has never backed up the claims of the anti-gun lobby. I cannot understand how a parent, a woman, anyone who values their life, can be against a persons individual right to defend themselves, their families and their property. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Look at how far the common man has allowed us to go. We have very little if any private property rights left. Towns are seizing prime land from owners at higher and higher rates. You no longer have the right to be secure in your privacy, as all the new "anti-terror" laws have been enacted stripping the restrictions against government intrusion. Taxes climb higher and higher, to the point where your children receive less than half of whatever you leave them when you die. I mean seriously. Please answer this question. Have you ever read the writings of the people who founded this nation? Thomas Jefferson, Alexis de Tocqueville (pro democracy, didn't help found really but has excellent notes on the times), the Adams, Franklin. Did you know that on many occasions these people spoke against democracy? That constitutional republicanism is not the same thing? That we have a method to change our form of government, amendment, but that instead the federal government today legislates over it. Unless you are personally harmed by new law you cannot challenge on a it constitutional basis now? Income tax. Those words originally meant earned income tax. Income was different from wages. Some people in DC just decided to change the definition. The debate we find ourselves in goes much deeper than any one issue. To go to the heart of the matter, it revolves around weather you truly believe in the principals that this nation was formed under, the laws it was formed through. People don't think of the constitution as a law. Yet that is what it is. It is the law that lays out the limits to be imposed on our federal government, and the rights that the citizens shall not be denied without due process. The government in it's current form exceeds it's limits at such length that I doubt it can ever be returned to it's roots by legislation alone. Nor do I think the common man will take his eyes off of the television long enough to notice the shackles as they are locked on to him. Freedom in this nation is dying, in truth it may already be dead. Only time will tell. Timothy Heald ACP/CCFD :) Manager Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group http://www.fcfug.org Fusebox Advisory Committee Member http://www.fusebox.org -----Original Message----- From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Janet Reno in Florida > I wasn't. I was comparing people who committed acts of murder against their > own citizens, the people they are supposed to serve. So Janet Reno committed acts of murder against whom? > BTW Beth gun laws are institutionalized rape and murder This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Someone who votes for gun control has RAPED you, or MURDERED you? Ridiculous. There is not one single iota of sense in this statement and I won't bother rebutting them. > They remove from > you your right to protect yourself from harm, theft and rape. Criminals > don't follow them. Only the law abiding do. These statements are another story, and they are ones worth speaking to. Then we need to enforce our laws better, no? I have seen several studies that show that having a gun is no insurance whatsoever against violent crime. >How do they make you any > safer? They only make it easier for the bad people to rob and kill and > maim. No more than that. The FBIs own firearms statistics back that > up.Over 95% of all firearms related crimes are committed either with > illegally purchased, or illegally possessed weapons. Because poor criminals can't afford weapons from the gun shop. ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
