But is it. Are the people being filmed making an informed choice? From your answers so far I do not think I'd be wrong to say you've probably had only very minimal contact with people who are homeless, and who have addiction problems. At the most I would guess that you may have given a bit of spare change to a homeless person begging in the street. Have you ever volunteered at a homeless shelter? Or done any work with people in these circumstances. I think if you had you'd have a very different opinion. It must be very nice to have grown up as a child of privilege never having to worry about any of the above problems, like where you next meal is coming from, where you are going to sleep that night and if you'll survive the night when sleeping. I think with more experience you'd end up being a lot less callous and uncaring.
Its not a matter of doing something against their own free will. That has never entered into the equation. They do not have the choice. When you're broke, homeless and addicted, and suddenly offered what is to you a lot of money and all the drugs/alcohol etc, there is no choice involved. This is coersion pure and simple. There just was not any physical force used. Its not a matter of education or free speech. Those are strawmen arguements. They have nothing to do with the issue here. Then by making the accusation that I'm against free speech etc. what you are doing is trying to close the issue by demonizing those who do not agree with you. Very typical. >From what you are saying is that its OK to let other people exploit and profit off those who are homeless etc. Hey no problems if the guy tears out his front teeth, we've given him money, no harm done. So what if they've beat that other guy to a pulp. We've given them all money. It doesn't matter that in few days the first guy is in the hospital emergency room with massive infections, or that that second guy is there as well, with major brain damage. Its all free speech after all. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:41 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > I really get tired of people living their lives not according > to my personal > views too, but as long as it's not physically harming anyone > against their > own will, I don't propose we censor or throw them in jail > because of it. > What I do propose is education and free speech. Are you > against education > and free speech or something? > > Adam. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:14 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > I really get tired of that libertarian crap. > > > > As for the Don King bs, well look at the number of people who > > grew up in the > > same circumstances, went through collage etc and now are > > making a decent > > living. The Don King bs is just thinly disguised racism is > > all. There are > > always other routes. > > > > I was not offering a solution in the first place. I was > > disputing you claim > > about not no one forcing these people to fight. My point is > > that there are > > other ways of coersion without reference to physical force. > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:38 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > What is your proposed solution? How is this different than > > > Don King offering > > > an inner-city boxer $200k to get his head beat on for 10 > > > rounds, risking > > > brain damage, and then Don King making $3M from the deal? > > > Sure is a lot of > > > crack-rocks to sell to make that kind of coin, and with your > > > logic, that > > > would be the fighter's only alternative given they've > > > probably had to deal > > > with deadbeat fathers, drug addicted mothers, poverty, and > > > gangs. We better > > > intervene with more laws and jail sentences - the problem > > > should go away > > > then. > > > > > > Same logic as the drug war - let's not question the demand at > > > all, because > > > if we can rid ourselves of the suppliers everything will be > > > merry. Tell me > > > if my analogies are off base, and I'll try to come up with a > > > better one. > > > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:26 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > Bull shit. These guys were homeless, dead broke and mostly > > > > had very bad > > > > drinking problems. They were then offered to them what was a > > > > lot of money, > > > > and all the alcohol they could drink. Just because they did > > > > not have a gun > > > > held to their head doesn't mean they were not coerced into > > > > it. There are > > > > more way to force someone to do stuff other than by > violence or by > > > > threatening violence. Look beyond your own butt for once. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > EBStor.com > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:08 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh get off your high horse, they didn't force anyone to fight. > > > > > > > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:27 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only 3 years in prison? Well hopefully they be in the right > > > > > > section - where > > > > > > they can play b**** to some of the more violent inhabitants. > > > > > > > > > > > > What they did is sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:46 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: Bumfights > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I25232BE1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They made $6 million at this... dang... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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