I am a decent person, I help people out all the time. I donate my time to the local homeless shelter, give food to the foodbank, and other various charities. I go to town meetings and you want to know who is greedy, it's the old people who get mad if you even mention taking away their "entitlement". I don't mind helping out people, and I do quite frequently, I do mind being forced to pay for the people who couldn't plan for their retirement one way or another.
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Wheatley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: More on social security > Its called being a decent person....you are decent how can you just say ahh > fuckem if they for whatever reason arent able to make it after retirement?? > Shit happens thats life just becuase you for 1 reason or another dont need > it great but some other poor guy does. > > Believe me i would love to keep the money too i put in thousands upon > thousands to this stupid fund and i think it needs to be changed to reform > it for the next generation..the money you EARN X% is put away in your own > personal account. But the only way to get to that point is to split it x% to > the older people now x% to your own personal fund. That way after a certain > point BOOM all the money starts goign into your own personal thing, then we > can use the money we work for. But then again we will run into what if the > guy worked at Mcdonalds all his life and only had 10000 saved up in > there..well i dont know that, but i cant really see it as being "American" > ideals to let the guy become homeless and live on the street. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Heald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:28 AM > Subject: RE: More on social security > > > > Wait, > > Wanting to be able to use the product of your own abilities makes someone > a greedy SOB? Deciding for yourself how to spend your wages, the wages of > your sweat and intellect, is now evil? > > > > I am moving my wife's mother and grand mother into my home. I am raising > two children. Why shouldn't I be able to concentrate all of my resources on > that endeavor? Have you ever read any Ayn Rand? She would call your > sentiments looting, and when done by a government I would be willing to > compare it to extortion. A man with a gun is telling me he will either lock > me away or shoot me if I don't give him my money. William why should people > of ability be penalized? Because that's what your advocating. I have taken > the time to start a savings account, we have an IRA at work and a profit > share. I will be able to afford to live without being a burden to my > children, but your saying that if someone else wasn't responsible enough to > make similar arrangements that the rest of us should pay for their > retirement? > > > > hehe, more and more, Who is John Galt? > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Wheatley [mailto:bill@;ediets.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:21 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: More on social security > > > > > > HAHA thats true Phoeun but you'll learn us americans dont like that crap > > we'd rather ship our parents off to a home cause we dont want them > cramping > > our style. > > > > Though there are people who still do respect and care for parents. > Actually > > if you read any studies its at a all time high where we have so much of > our > > potential workforce being a primary caregiver. > > There are still some who hold those ideals of carign for your mother. And > > when you dont have a job and you have to take care of someone all day i'm > > sure the SS check for your parents helps because if you can't take a job > > becuase you have to give 24/7 care to a loved one you loose a lot of > > potential salary. > > > > So it does work sometimes :) There are those who are greedy and selfish > and > > say we shouldn't give handouts but I guess they've never been in need or > > they have and they got lucky and got a break and got out of it and so they > > take a hard stance on that type thing. I'd rather give some of my money to > > help others and let it help some then be a greedy SOB who just doesnt give > a > > flying f$$k about anyone else becuase they are too worried worrying about > > their own interests > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: RE: More on social security > > > > > > > Personally, I think Social Security only works well in a society where > > > people do not take care of their elders very well. And I mean on the > > family > > > level. Me, I have to take care of my mom till the day she dies! It's > > kinda > > > like an honor system. She raised and took care of me so that I will get > a > > > good job and take care of her. And I could also use that money that > > > would've gone to SS for a brand new car :) > > > > > > It's more of an obligation really. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:marlon@;mcmoyer.com] > > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:20 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: More on social security > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's not an easy problem to solve, but the argument that private > > investing > > > >could somehow return a lower % than SS is invalid in every possible > way. > > > > > > > > > > > Jeez Cameron, what kind of financial planner have you been talking with. > > > How can you say that it's invalid to have a lower return. If I > > > invested in Enron for the last 20 years, I guarantee that I'd have a > > > negative portfolio now. This is definitely an extreme case, but I'm > > > just illustrating that bad investing can make negative returns. > > > > > > Marlon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
