Some would debate that putting earrings on babies is cruel as well. We gave our 
daughter her earrings at 6 years old -- she wanted them at that age. Fillings are a 
necessary evil, and braces are also necessary at times. Hair cuts and eyeglasses are 
not in the same category as they don't constitute a permanent change.

There are three issues here:

1. Does it hurt?
2. Is it permanent?
3. Is there a reason for it?

If 1 and 2 apply, there had better be a darn good reason for it, whether you're doing 
it on a person or an animal. As in sickness and health. As in life or death. For 
braces, sometimes, beauty can be a reason, but I don't see braces in the same category 
as piercings. Not when it comes to animals or children.

Again, adults are a different category -- the same rules do not necessary apply when 
an adult makes a decision for him- or herself.

I don't care if you think I'm making it easy for you, Michael -- These are my 
arguments. Have at them. It's fun to fight with you from eight feet away.

Judith

> Children have no choice, especially babies. How many babies are given ear rings
> within months of their births? For that matter, most parents don't give their
> children a choice when it comes to body modifications. Fillings, braces, ear
> rings, hair cuts, glasses. I can go on but the point is moot. Most of the things
> that a parent does to a child in the name of the child 'looking good' can also
> be applied to an animal.
> And that's besides the point. This is not for the purpose of revenge. The
> original post was about modifying the cat by removing its fur with nair. My
> suggestion was to use electrolysis and THEN think about additions. I didn't say
> to pierce the cat, just think about it. I think your taking offense at me asking
> how many nipples it has. I didn't say to give the cat 6 bells or the like. I
> just wanted to know how many there were.
> 
> 
> > No, I'm saying that people have a choice, and animals don't. Dying an animal's
> fur is temporary. Giving a dog a funny haircut is temporary, and it doesn't
> hurt. But piercings can hurt. If a person wants to do it to himself, kol hakavod
> (all to his honor) -- it's his choice. But piercing a cat for the purpose of
> revenge (which is what you're suggesting here, even though it's a joke) is
> beyond what I can tolerate.
> >
> > Judith


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