the state i live in does not support the death penalty. I think that is wrong. I will do what I can to change that (voting for tougher crime enforcement through more police and tougher judges). as for other laws, yes I agree that some curent laws should be changed as well.
-----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:29 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad what...i'm sorry but you've lost me. Are you saying you are unhappy with the current laws regarding sentencing in the US? w -----Original Message----- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2003 16:18 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad >>is there no middle ground? I mean, either you lop of body parts or you are a >>tree hugging hippy. sounds a bit much. when you give middle ground, then the question becomes how much middle ground to give, instead of how much justice to mete out. -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:13 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad is there no middle ground? I mean, either you lop of body parts or you are a tree hugging hippy. sounds a bit much. w -----Original Message----- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 March 2003 16:10 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad >>But you are advocating a system of punishment that the radical islamicists >>also advocate. If I had said instead of Al Queda, the Taliban would that >>have been different, or how about the Islamic courts of Saudi Arabia, >>Yemen, or Northern Nigeria. They all advocate something similar. No, maybe we should all put on daisy headbands and traipse through the streets with the poor crimminals instead of punishing them. -----Original Message----- From: John Stanley Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:07 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad I'm not trying to raise red herrings. People are people wherever you live. Whatever country you live in. The people of the united states are fully capable of committing as many acts of barbarity as anyone else. I dont need to mention the wholesale slaughter of the native americans, slavery, lynchings, and other despicable crimes. All that I am saying is you dont bring a knife to a gunfight. You give what you get. -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:30 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: And we thought texas was bad At 10:10 AM 3/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: >What? > >>So then by advocating what is in essence Sha'ria, (the islamic law) then > >>what's the moral difference between you and a member of Al Queda? > >There is a big difference. First of all, I am not a cowardly member of a >fanatical middle eastern terrorist organization. But you are advocating a system of punishment that the radical islamicists also advocate. If I had said instead of Al Queda, the Taliban would that have been different, or how about the Islamic courts of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or Northern Nigeria. They all advocate something similar. >Second of all, so what you are saying is we should not punish people for >committing crimes that are against the laws of our land? No I never said that. What I said was that if the punishment is applied unjustly, arbitrarily and capriciously, then it is not justice. >If I disagreed with the law, or felt it was unjust then I would do whatever >I could as a citizen to get the laws changed. I do not disagree with the law >that says if you murder your children or anyone else for that matter then >you should be executed. The laws also recognize a very primitive definition of mens rea - knowing what is right from wrong. If a person is so psychologically distressed that they cannot tell the difference, then they cannot be held responsible for the act. That is what the law states. >I think you are confusing my points with the religious idiology of the >islamic interpretaion of the koran. Calling for cutting off the hands of thieves is a part of islamic law. That is what you advocated: >Sure, I'm all for the cutting off of hands for theft. Gee it looks like you're advocating the same thing. >I am not religious at all. I do however feel that there are certain >boundaries that once crossed by a member of our society, that these people >now become the chaff while the rest of us are the wheat. Once they commit >these crimes (specifically murder) but you could also make a case for rape, >and other serious crimes; then they have chosen by their own actions to be >treated to the punishment that our laws allow. There was a case recently in Virginia where a man was released from 10 years on death row. the DNA evidence showed he was not the killer. The problem is that the death penalty statutes are not applied fairly or in a colour blind, or money blind fashion. It is applied in an arbitrary and capricious manner. >If you think that people are not barbarians, perhaps you could visit Rwanda? >Or Kosovo, or Iraq or any prison or jail anywhere? I am not talking about those countries I am talking about this country. Rwanda and Kosovo were planned cases of genocide. That is not the same as what I am talking about. Stop trying to raise red herrings. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
