No you made a blanket statement about Amnesty International. I participated in a number of campaigns trying to get Russian dissidents out of the old Soviet Union. The group that coordinated and led those efforts were Amnesty International. They do not support all sides nor do they support all prisoners of conscience. The critical factor is non-violent. That's why Solynetzen (spelling) and Shiransky and other Russian dissidents were supported by AI.
larry At 03:53 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >You mean AI represents all of the Jews who fought, sent money and the like to >get Jews out of Russia? They were one and only one pf a number of groups who >fought in this area and that was many years ago. Haven't seen much from them >recently. Haven't seen any reports from them on the rise in anti-Semitism in >Europe and Australia. >(4 Jews were attacked after an anti-war rally in France, a Jewish tourist >attacked in Germany, etc.) >And their very one-sided views and even attacks on Israel lowers them in my >eyes. If they looked at all events that would be one thing but I see nothing >about them condemning terrorist attacks on Jews or even being fair/truthful on >the people killed in Israel. >It's good to rest on ones laurels, but.... > > > > Michael, > > > > Ask Natan Shiransky (my spelling) about what good Amnesty International > > does . How many jewish Russians are in Israel now because of AI's efforts? > > > > larry > > > > At 03:09 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Most of the reports will be from different Israel sources and while > they are > > >reliable, many will just say "oh, it's just Israel". I can do some > > >searches for > > >you but it'll mainly be red crescent stuff rather than red cross (though > > >the red > > >crescent is supposed to be under or equal to the red cross and has the > same > > >status) > > >The same goes for Geneva Convention abuses. There are lots of reports of > > >snipers > > >shooting from schools and the like, but again they're mostly from Israeli > > >sources and other media outlets tend to discount them. This is flat out >racism > > >and can be easily seen in many reports including the 'peace activist' > who was > > >killed by a bulldozer. > > >As for Amnesty, I put them in the same rank as Peta. A good idea on the > > >outside > > >with nothing good on the inside. > > > > > > > Micheal, > > > > > > > > Do you know of a (fairly reliable) source that documents these abuses? > > > > > > > > Not just in Israel, but elsewhere as well? > > > > > > > > And what about Geneva Convention abuses (like the Iraqis reportadly > using > > >hospital and school as staging area for military action? > > > > > > > > (And Amnesty International is not, too me, a reliable source.) > > > > > > > > Jerry Johnson > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/27/03 01:56PM >>> > > > > This is nothing new. There are numerous reports of the abuse of Red > Cross > > > > offices and transports for use by terrorists in the middle east. > > > They're just > > > > never reported in America for obvious reasons. The reports against > the Red > > > > Crescent (the Arab version of the Red Cross) are even worse with their > > > > ambulances being used to transport weapons, explosives as well as > > > terrorists. > > > > But again, rarely if ever reported. > > > > I think its good that the Red Cross has rejected the inclusion of > the Red > > >Mogen > > > > Dovid (Israeli version of the Red Cross) into its organization. > Keeps them > > > > outside the scandal as well as shows the bias of the Red Cross. > > > > But the bias goes back many, many years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Timothy Heald] What the hell is he red cross thinking about?? Don't >they > > > > > know what this does to their credibility and neutrality? > > > > > > > > > > Wanted Islamic Jihad Terrorist Apprehended; Terrorist Youth > Admits to > > > > > Homicide Bombing Plan > > > > > > > > > > Ministry of Foreign Affairs > > > > > http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dho0 > > > > > <http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dho0> > > > > > > > > > > Israel Defense Forces troops arrested wanted Islamic Jihad terrorist > > > > > Shadi Sukeya today, after he was found hiding in the Red Cross > > > > > offices in the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank, HA'ARETZ > > > > > reported. Soldiers in the IDF's Egoz unit were carrying out arrests > > > > > in the neighborhood in which the Red Cross offices are located. The > > > > > troops arrested one of Sukeya's aids, and found two Kalashnikov > > > > > automatic rifles. When they approached the Red Cross offices, their > > > > > entry request was denied by Red Cross activists. The soldiers > > > > > insisted on entering the offices, where they found Sukeya, who was > > > > > armed. > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, IDF troops clashed with Palestinians in the northern Gaza > > > > > town of Beit Hanoun today. Sixteen Palestinians were reported > > > > > wounded. Israeli sources said the military moved in after receiving > > > > > intelligence reports of Palestinian terrorists planning attacks in > > > > > the area. They said Palestinian gunmen shot at the soldiers, and the > > > > > troops fired back. They also said Palestinians detonated several > > > > > bombs. > > > > > > > > > > Also, a 17-year-old Palestinian youth who was arrested two months ago > > > > > told police that he had planned to carry out a homicide bombing at a > > > > > boarding school in Jerusalem. The Israeli security service and police > > > > > arrested the youth a few days after he dumped a suitcase packed with > > > > > explosives near the tunnel road connecting Jerusalem and Gush Etzion > > > > > that had been intended for use in the attack. The bomb was discovered > > > > > by an IDF patrol, which summoned sappers who carried out a controlled > > > > > explosion. Initially, the would-be bomber refused to reveal whether > > > > > he had a specific location, but a few days ago he told police he had > > > > > planned to detonate the bomb in the Beit Ha'yeled boarding school in > > > > > Gilo. He said he had decided not to go ahead with the attack after he > > > > > realized that many children would be hurt. After admitting his plan, > > > > > the youth was taken to Gilo where he reconstructed his plan. Security > > > > > forces believe the youth was part of a Fatah cell and are still > > > > > searching for its other members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
