I made a blanket statement about AI's current activity and looking at their website along with all I've heard, I stand by it. They support the causes they want to and ignore the ones they don't.
> No you made a blanket statement about Amnesty International. I participated > in a number of campaigns trying to get Russian dissidents out of the old > Soviet Union. The group that coordinated and led those efforts were Amnesty > International. They do not support all sides nor do they support all > prisoners of conscience. The critical factor is non-violent. That's why > Solynetzen (spelling) and Shiransky and other Russian dissidents were > supported by AI. > > larry > > At 03:53 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >You mean AI represents all of the Jews who fought, sent money and the like to > >get Jews out of Russia? They were one and only one pf a number of groups who > >fought in this area and that was many years ago. Haven't seen much from them > >recently. Haven't seen any reports from them on the rise in anti-Semitism in > >Europe and Australia. > >(4 Jews were attacked after an anti-war rally in France, a Jewish tourist > >attacked in Germany, etc.) > >And their very one-sided views and even attacks on Israel lowers them in my > >eyes. If they looked at all events that would be one thing but I see nothing > >about them condemning terrorist attacks on Jews or even being fair/truthful on > >the people killed in Israel. > >It's good to rest on ones laurels, but.... > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > Ask Natan Shiransky (my spelling) about what good Amnesty International > > > does . How many jewish Russians are in Israel now because of AI's efforts? > > > > > > larry > > > > > > At 03:09 PM 3/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Most of the reports will be from different Israel sources and while > > they are > > > >reliable, many will just say "oh, it's just Israel". I can do some > > > >searches for > > > >you but it'll mainly be red crescent stuff rather than red cross (though > > > >the red > > > >crescent is supposed to be under or equal to the red cross and has the > > same > > > >status) > > > >The same goes for Geneva Convention abuses. There are lots of reports of > > > >snipers > > > >shooting from schools and the like, but again they're mostly from Israeli > > > >sources and other media outlets tend to discount them. This is flat out > >racism > > > >and can be easily seen in many reports including the 'peace activist' > > who was > > > >killed by a bulldozer. > > > >As for Amnesty, I put them in the same rank as Peta. A good idea on the > > > >outside > > > >with nothing good on the inside. > > > > > > > > > Micheal, > > > > > > > > > > Do you know of a (fairly reliable) source that documents these abuses? > > > > > > > > > > Not just in Israel, but elsewhere as well? > > > > > > > > > > And what about Geneva Convention abuses (like the Iraqis reportadly > > using > > > >hospital and school as staging area for military action? > > > > > > > > > > (And Amnesty International is not, too me, a reliable source.) > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Johnson > > > > > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/27/03 01:56PM >>> > > > > > This is nothing new. There are numerous reports of the abuse of Red > > Cross > > > > > offices and transports for use by terrorists in the middle east. > > > > They're just > > > > > never reported in America for obvious reasons. The reports against > > the Red > > > > > Crescent (the Arab version of the Red Cross) are even worse with their > > > > > ambulances being used to transport weapons, explosives as well as > > > > terrorists. > > > > > But again, rarely if ever reported. > > > > > I think its good that the Red Cross has rejected the inclusion of > > the Red > > > >Mogen > > > > > Dovid (Israeli version of the Red Cross) into its organization. > > Keeps them > > > > > outside the scandal as well as shows the bias of the Red Cross. > > > > > But the bias goes back many, many years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Timothy Heald] What the hell is he red cross thinking about?? Don't > >they > > > > > > know what this does to their credibility and neutrality? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wanted Islamic Jihad Terrorist Apprehended; Terrorist Youth > > Admits to > > > > > > Homicide Bombing Plan > > > > > > > > > > > > Ministry of Foreign Affairs > > > > > > http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dho0 > > > > > > <http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dho0> > > > > > > > > > > > > Israel Defense Forces troops arrested wanted Islamic Jihad terrorist > > > > > > Shadi Sukeya today, after he was found hiding in the Red Cross > > > > > > offices in the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank, HA'ARETZ > > > > > > reported. Soldiers in the IDF's Egoz unit were carrying out arrests > > > > > > in the neighborhood in which the Red Cross offices are located. The > > > > > > troops arrested one of Sukeya's aids, and found two Kalashnikov > > > > > > automatic rifles. When they approached the Red Cross offices, their > > > > > > entry request was denied by Red Cross activists. The soldiers > > > > > > insisted on entering the offices, where they found Sukeya, who was > > > > > > armed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile, IDF troops clashed with Palestinians in the northern Gaza > > > > > > town of Beit Hanoun today. Sixteen Palestinians were reported > > > > > > wounded. Israeli sources said the military moved in after receiving > > > > > > intelligence reports of Palestinian terrorists planning attacks in > > > > > > the area. They said Palestinian gunmen shot at the soldiers, and the > > > > > > troops fired back. They also said Palestinians detonated several > > > > > > bombs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, a 17-year-old Palestinian youth who was arrested two months ago > > > > > > told police that he had planned to carry out a homicide bombing at a > > > > > > boarding school in Jerusalem. The Israeli security service and police > > > > > > arrested the youth a few days after he dumped a suitcase packed with > > > > > > explosives near the tunnel road connecting Jerusalem and Gush Etzion > > > > > > that had been intended for use in the attack. The bomb was discovered > > > > > > by an IDF patrol, which summoned sappers who carried out a controlled > > > > > > explosion. Initially, the would-be bomber refused to reveal whether > > > > > > he had a specific location, but a few days ago he told police he had > > > > > > planned to detonate the bomb in the Beit Ha'yeled boarding school in > > > > > > Gilo. He said he had decided not to go ahead with the attack after he > > > > > > realized that many children would be hurt. After admitting his plan, > > > > > > the youth was taken to Gilo where he reconstructed his plan. 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