::nod:: agreed

On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:24:47 -0400, Jerry Johnson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was just quibbling with the words, not the sentiment.
>
> Assuming they are not in the end vindicated...
>
> Abuse of Trust, sure. (Trust me, they have bad, bad things)
> Lies, sure. (Cheney's ties to Haliburton have no bearing on anything)
> Holding back the truth, sure. (We know they have WMD, since that guy over 
> there in New Jersey sold them some, but since he works for the CIA and is 
> a big contributor, we can;t tell you about it)
> "Fabrication" of "evidence", just wanted some concrete examples of both.
>
> As for US intelligence, there isn't a day and a topic that someone 
> somewhere isn't saying two completely different and contradictory things. 
> Whenever they  get anything right, I think it is a miracle.
>
> Jerry Johnson
>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 12:11PM >>>
> Jerry,
>
> They were walking around saying "We know Saddam has WMD"...they didnt 
> exactly fabricate evidence, as they refused to produce it. They certainly 
> however implied that it existed and that it was definitive and the reason 
> for the invasion. This now appears to have not been the case; apparently 
> US intelligence was actually saying the opposite. If that doesnt qualify 
> as an abuse of trust I don't know what would.
>
> Dana
>
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 10:50:57 -0400, Jerry Johnson 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I don;t thin ka "fact" consisting of a statement that "Saddam has orange 
>> shoes" amounts to fabricated evidence.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, someone shows a picture of Saddam with orange 
>> glitter glued to the photo, then I think "fabricated evidence" applies.
>>
>> Are you saying that the Bush administration created false evidence and 
>> then passed it off as true?
>>
>> Jerry Johnson
>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 10:45AM >>>
>> According to the CIA?
>>
>> The 'fact' that he had active weapons of mass destruction and that he
>> therefore posed a credible threat to the United States and the rest of
>> the free world.
>> The 'fact' that the US knew exactly where these WMD were.
>>
>> Also, the 'fact' that he had direct links to Al Qaida.
>>
>> These were all disputed at the time that the US presented them to the
>> world, and they were never proven to anyone's satisfaction, apparently
>> not even to the satisfaction of the United States own intelligence
>> service.
>>
>> There were articles posted to this list about these issues before.
>>
>> -Gel
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Gel,
>>
>> I must have missed it, but what evidence exactly was fabricated?
>>
>> Jerry Johnson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 
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