Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever enforced he wouldn't be in trouble.
Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone else does. "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: A good american > Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do with this? The > guy was accused of espionage and the government later says whoops we are > sorry and released him. > The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are we even > talking about the same case?? > > Dana > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have been in > > trouble?? > > > > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given into peer > > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. LOL > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to the guy. > >> But > >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be gunning for you > >> > don't > >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the rules if he > >> > hadn't > >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation starting but > >> > himself. > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you write. A > > Chinese > >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is Chinese. Subsequent > >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility wide and the > >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No other > >> scientist > >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in jail. I have no > >> >> idea > >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw deal. There is > >> > little > >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither one of us is > >> >> looking > >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a distinct possibility > >> >> that > >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the Chinese > >> government, > >> > and > >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the several > >> thousand > >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also jailed. > >> >> > >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I get caught > > speeding > >> > do > >> >> > I > >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> >> > > >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. He knew the > >> >> rules > >> >> > and > >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't mean you > >> should. > >> >> And > >> >> > he > >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to sue go for it > >> if > >> >> not > >> >> > well that's on him. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop containing > >> classified > >> > data > >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that this was very > >> >> often > >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain lost. UC just > >> >> lost > >> >> >> its > >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not endear him to > > the > >> > US > >> >> >> government if he did. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven if there was > >> > evidence > >> >> > to > >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is he sueing?? If > >> >> they > >> >> > were so > >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in jail but i would > >> >> > understand > >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security interests > >> like > >> >> >> that. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that unjust. I read > >> on > >> > both > >> >> > sides > >> >> >> > of the story. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he realizes he got > >> off > >> > easy > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > not to push his luck > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> >> was > >> >> > good > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > > people > >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year in jail, and I > >> > think > >> >> > he > >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as a nuclear > >> > physicist > >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent investigation > >> >> >> revealed > >> >> > to > >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Dana > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them and let them > >> goto > >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> > first. > >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well you're dead meat > >> no > >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> > needed > >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. System worked.. > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> Sure, > >> >> I > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> >> >> people > >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being shot. A spy in > >> >> wartime > >> >> >> > *might* be > >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I mentioned was > >> accused > >> >> of > >> >> > spying > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges except one, > >> >> >> something > >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with classified data. > > And > >> >> >> this > >> >> > was > >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on jail almost a > >> > year; > >> >> >> > proper > >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los Alamos that the > >> >> >> contract > >> >> > for > >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. Point is, > >> sometimes > >> > they > >> >> > are > >> >> >> > wrong > >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Dana > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > :) > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to be shot. I'll > >> >> even > >> >> > give > >> >> >> > them > >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black this week. > >> >> >> Therefore > >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were talking about > >> >> other > >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may have both > >> >> betrayed > >> >> > their > >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the population. > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would betray this > >> country" > >> > has > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am pretty sure > > that > >> > if > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, you and I would > > not > >> > be > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So that throws up > >> a > >> > huge > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray this country > >> > should > >> >> > be > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country deserve our > >> >> respect > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:55 AM > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort of belief that > >> >> >> deifies > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would gladly betray this > >> >> >> country. > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John Stanley wrote: > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the sacrifices of > >> >> the > >> >> >> > military, > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that you do not > >> >> respect > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died for the Untied > >> > States? > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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