I understand your point and yes, I agree with a lot of it. I think the angel I was getting at is that with certs, it's starting to become almost a joke. Not so much with CF but deffinately with MCSE. I have even heard some stories were some MCSE applicants were not even considered unless they have a degree or 5 years in the industry.
I've never been willing to spend my own time and money to get certified when I know I can do the job that needs to be done. If an employeer is paying for it though, then fine, I'll take it. To tangent a bit, maybe the companies that hand out the certifications should take more care in who they hand them out to. Dan Phillips www.CFXHosting.com 1-866-239-4678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Certifiable | | I know my skills and I'm confident in them. Should I ever seek other | employment, and some company would not hire me because I don't have a | piece of paper, I would not want to work for them. You are hiring me | and my technical skills, not my test taking skills. | | Dan Phillips | www.CFXHosting.com | 1-866-239-4678 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dan This is not the approach that would logically be used in seeking employment. While you may well have no respect for Certifications as a measure of competency, think in terms of an employer's hiring manager or recruiter, who well may not have any experience along the lines of what they are hiring for. If they make a job announcement, for a single position, offer the greatest salary and benefits package and then receive 100 to 1000 resumes and applications, it is common practice to cull them into certified/non-certified, and then try to create a short list to schedule for live interviews. This is a very common practice, especially if a recruitment firm is serving as an intermediary. How will they know that you are a cut above the otherwise certified practitioner? I know of no human resource department that will expend the man hours to closely examine each and every resume. You can bet that in most cases the resume with no certifications will not even make the first cut, no matter how proficient you may be, in your own mind. This common practice would take you out of the running without so much as a remote chance for consideration, even though you may well be the best qualified person for the offered position(s) Another consideration is for the currently employed. If getting a certification will get you a raise, or otherwise enhance your job security, then it is of value to go after the certification. On the other hand, if it would have no effect at all then why bother? The question still comes up and that is why do Professionals hang their credentials in either their offices or waiting rooms? Items such as University degrees, Bar Association membership, and even down to Chamber of Commerce and Better Business Bureau membership? It is to impress the client/customer with the competency of the staff of the people they are doing business with. I know that impressing the boss has to be one of your goals, why not a paper representation that the Boss can display to others? Give this some thought. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
