In response:

I know you didn't start the thread. I know you didn't start the thread. 

The problem I see is with talking about how you are sick of people talking
about something. By talking about it on an open forum, you become part of
the very problem you are complaining about. You are opening up more avenues
for conversation about the subject, thereby further aggravating the problem.
This is regardless of whether or not you are signed to an NDA.

As far as you not wanting to see these big threads about NDAs / betas /
etc., just don't read the thread. I ignore lots of threads posted by people
on this list that go on for days and hundreds of posts because I find them
disinteresting. You should feel free to ignore them just the same.

I'm sorry if I said anything to offend, but that's not what I intended. You
didn't do anything wrong, you just added to the problem you were complaining
about. And you seem completely unaware of the fact you are doing so, or
convinced you could not be doing that because the thread is now about your
innermost feelings about a subject instead of the subject itself (which is
just splitting hairs, since many people are casual email readers at best).

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RedSky discussions


How does me complaining about people breaking the NDA (and thereby starting
up a big thread about NDAs and what they can/can't say) make it hard for
people to not comment?  I didn't start the thread.  I didn't start the
thread.  I didn't continue the thread in an inappropriate list.  I didn't
ask inappropriate questions about it, nor did I make any statement of
supposed fact that would lead people to correct me.  I had a burr under my
saddle and got it out.

As far as you not wanting to hear me bellyache, just don't read the thread.
I ignore lots of threads you post on because they don't interest me.  I
don't ask you to quit talking about these things.  I just don't read the
threads.  Feel free to ignore this one.

I'm sorry if my posting bugged you -- that wasn't it's intent.  But, quite
frankly, I don't feel I did anything wrong.


--  Ben Doom
    Programmer & General Lackey
    Moonbow Software, Inc

: -----Original Message-----
: From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:47 PM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: RE: RedSky discussions
:
:
: Yeah, but that certainly makes it harder for people in the beta not to
: comment.
:
: I am clear on the status of those who are not covered by the NDA. But who
: really wants to hear them bellyache about others?
:
: M
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: Josh Remus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:29 PM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: RE: RedSky discussions
:
:
: Likely those not in the beta and therefore bound by the NDA can
: say whatever
: the hell they want about the supposed beta.  So Ben can rant
: away, I for one
: agree with him.  I surely wish that people who broke the NDA and
: are in the
: beta would immediately have that pulled.  Teach a lesson.
:
: Josh
:
: 

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