Doug,

re LBJ, are you referring to the lie about the North Vietnamese firing on the 
destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin?

-Ben

> If you can rely on the accuracy of the Washington Post, then the Quote is
> accurate, while the statement is not.
> 
> If it is an accurate quote, then I expect that over time, it will be brought
> back to haunt him.
> 
> You can bet the Democrats will keep it alive and well, just as the Republicans
> did with the quotes from his predecessor.
> 
> Strange, though, a lie about the justification for going to war, was last used
> by a Democrat; i.e. Lyndon Johnson who relied on his Secretary of Defense,
> McNamara, who just before death admitted he lied.  Will Rumsfield eventually do
> the same?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Ousterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Bush does it again :-)
> 
> 
> | While I haven't seen this yet, perhaps it will be on the news tonight, I
> | would need to understand the context prior to forming a judgment.  For

> | example, what question prompted this answer and what was the complete
> | answer.  I am very wary of any single sentence quotes.  It is too easy to
> | misunderstand what was actually communicated.
> |
> | And maybe, just maybe, the reason almost nobody quoted him was that it
> | wasn't newsworthy.
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 3:05 PM
> | To: CF-Community
> | Subject: Bush does it again :-)
> |
> |
> | "July 15, 2003  |  A "darn good" quote that almost nobody quoted
> | "We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let
> | them in."
> | George W. Bush uttered that amazing sentence yesterday to justify the
> | war in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.
> |
> | What? Yes, I promise that's what the man said. (And by "him," the
> | president clearly meant Saddam Hussein -- not Kim Jong Il, who actually
> | has refused to let international inspectors into North Korea.)
> |

> | Now a presidential statement so frontally at variance with the
> | universally acknowledged facts obviously presents a problem for the
> | White House press corps. He wasn't joking, and he didn't sound
> | disoriented or unwell. Although Dana Priest and Dana Milbank wrote the
> | story as delicately as they possibly could, they couldn't make it seem
> | less weird:
> |
> | "The president's assertion that the war began because Iraq did not admit
> | inspectors appeared to contradict the events leading up to war this
> | spring: Hussein had, in fact, admitted the inspectors and Bush had
> | opposed extending their work because he did not believe them effective."
> |
> | Appeared to contradict the events leading up to war? Indeed, that's an
> | exceedingly mild description of what Bush said. There's no plausible
> | explanation, unless the president suddenly flashed back to his Yale
> | sophomore philosophy seminar, grappling with the argument that
> | everything we perceive is mere illusion.
> |

> | For the moment, however, let's just assume reality does exist. What
> | possessed the president to make an assertion that everyone on the planet
> | knows to be untrue? And who is going to take the responsibility for this
> | one? Did George Tenet vet Bush's statement? Do the British have a secret
> | dossier proving that Saddam never actually admitted Hans Blix and the
> | UNMOVIC teams? Will Condi Rice or Donald Rumsfeld show up on Fox News
> | next weekend to explain why Bush's statement is "technically accurate,"
> | even though he shouldn't have said it?
> |
> | As hard to explain as what Bush said is the press corps' failure to
> | report his stunning gaffe. The sentence quoted above doesn't appear in
> | today's New York Times report, for example. Yet there is no question
> | about what he said -- undoubtedly to the amazement of both Kofi Annan,
> | who was sitting beside him at the time, and the dozens of reporters who
> | were present during their brief joint press conference.
> |

> | Anyone who doesn't believe me (or the Post) can watch Bush say the exact
> | words quoted above here, toward the end of the White House's own
> | videotape of his remarks, under the headline "President Reaffirms Strong
> | Position on Liberia."
> |
> | Another recent president once said something that was blatantly untrue,
> | if fairly trivial, and the videotape of his statement was replayed
> | again, and again, and again, and again ...
> |
> | -Joe Conason"
> |
> | -Gel
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | 
> 
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