it's hateful of me to say you love canada? last i heard they were trying to put the images on packs. when i went there last, all i saw was a gigantic black on white message on the front of the pack that said something very terse and honest.
i'm not ignorant enough to say advertising doesn't work. hell, i bought an ibook after all. my point was that people who are stupid enough to think smoking will turn them into a cowboy/mountain climber/lego are morons. --d. -- Daniel Nagy - DS/CTO/SFW Any opinions expressed within this document should be considered mine, and not those of the US Department of State or any other affiliated organization(s). -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:13 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: And we Americans are sue happy? I didn't say it "had" to be. I said it was my personal favorite of the uses I had heard of. In other states it has funded scholarships and gone to indigent care, I believe. Why do you have to be so hateful all the time? It isn't "my lovely Canada." It is just a place I know something about. And oh by the way the cigarettes come without visual aids :) If you don't think you are affected by advertising, that is amusing, that's all. Dana Nagy, Daniel J writes: > it strikes me as being odd that the settlement money has to be used for > PSA's, considering it basically says 'smoking will rot your shit bad' on the > pack here in america, last i recall in your lovely canada, they even had > dead babies and black lungs stamped on the packs. > > i don't see what the issue is with the advertising. every industry does > this, from cars to toys to booze to pills. whoopie. i assume the same people > who equate product with advertised happiness are the same people who buy > things from telemarketers and send their life savings to nigerian princes. > > i really don't care if they get rid of the advertising or whatnot, but if a > person is able to make a conscious choice to go to a store, count out money > and exchange it for a pack of cigarettes that tells you they're going to > kill you on the box, why should anyone feel bad? > > yes, i smoke. *shrug*. > > by the way, i actually found an interesting article in the DC liberal > free-mag about how a bunch of 'activists' were trying to get the > bars/restaurants in the city to go smoke-free, and most of them laughed in > their faces saying something to the effect of 'people who smoke are a great > piece of our business. people who smoke tend to enjoy life more, and > drink/eat more.' not trying to nitpick an old thread, but if i can find it > at home, i'll post it. > > --d. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:22 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: And we Americans are sue happy? > > > sure. And so were we all when they were selling over the counter > medications that contained mercury and morphine. Responsibility is one > thing. Enough information to make an informed decision is another. I don't > blame anyone but myself for the fact that I smoked as long as I did, but > there is no question that advertising affected that decision and, having > seen the internal marketing memos, I can assure you that the advertising is > deliberately and cynically geared, not to providing enough information, but > to selling cigarettes, and this at great expense to the public coffer. All > those people dying of lung cancer and emphesyma eventually run out of > money, depending on how heroic the measures taken on their behalf might be. > My favorite use of the money from the tobacco settlement is for PSAs > presenting the effects of smoking. At least it balances out the information > available a little. > > Dana > > Nagy, Daniel J writes: > > > what does that have to do with it? > > > > we're all responsible for our own bodies, not corporations or the > > government. > > > > --d. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:20 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: And we Americans are sue happy? > > > > > > You CAN be. Does this mean nobody ever get sick from smoking? > > > > Dana > > > > > > Heald, Tim writes: > > > > > I smoke a lot, when I was still on active duty in the Army I both smoked > > and > > > dipped (mainly in the field to stay awake), I still ran, climbed, jumped > > out > > > of airplanes and so forth. You can be a totally healthy smoker. Hell I > > am > > > still in much better shape than anyone else I am friends with, other > than > > > Crit. > > > > > > Timothy Heald > > > Information Systems Specialist > > > Overseas Security Advisory Council > > > U.S. Department of State > > > 571.345.2235 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:00 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: And we Americans are sue happy? > > > > > > > > > There's some truth to this. However, after spending a year indexing the > RJ > > > Renolds documents, it seems to me that a very large advertising budget > was > > > spent convincing people that it wasn't really so. Think about all those > > > cigarette ads showing healthy people engaged in rock climbing or > whatever > > > with a cigarette in their hand. That was deliberate. Liquor ads > similarly > > > portray drinking as the thing to do in a social setting. I very rarely > > > drink either, but I notice that people who notice me ordering coke in a > > > setting where everyone else is drinking generally assume I have a > > "drinking > > > problem" rather than that I just don't care to drink. Tells me drinking > is > > > still seen by many folks as the thing to do, probably in large part due > to > > > advertising. Now do I have to do it just because it is seen by some > people > > > as the thing to do? No, of course not. Do some people go with the flow? > I > > > am sure.... > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > Phillip B writes: > > > > > > > > In the 50's and 60's, nobody knew it was bad for them, so it was > > "sexy" > > > > > > > > > > > > > This bothers me. My Grandfather heard smoking was bad some time during > > the > > > > 50's. He told me he was plowing a field when he heard on the radio it > > was > > > > bad for you. At that moment he put out his cigarette and pitched the > > rest > > > > and never smoked again. > > > > > > > > People have known for a _long_ time that smoking and drinking were bad > > for > > > > you. The problem is it was fashionable to do it. If you think back to > > old > > > > black and white films you will see how they were used as devices to > make > > a > > > > point in the film. The result of that was people wanted to mimic the > > > people > > > > on screen. People are influenced in the way they dress, smoke, > > > vacation.... > > > > The list goes on and on. I am not blaming Hollywood. I am saying that > it > > > has > > > > an influence in what we do. > > > > > > > > People suing for alcohol and cigarettes really bother me. I stared > > smoking > > > > and drinking when I was in 5th grade. I still drink once in a while > and > > > will > > > > never smoke again. Did I know smoking was bad? Yes. Did I know > drinking > > > was > > > > bad? Yes. Will I sue some one for my choices? No. I made the decision > to > > > do > > > > it and I accept what ever may happen to me. > > > > > > > > If more people would quit blaming others for their misfortune, the > world > > > > would be a better place. God isn't punishing me. The neighbor didn't > > make > > > > his dog poop in my yard. My parents didn't make me need glasses. They > > just > > > > happened. We need to suck it up and deal with it. > > > > > > > > I'll be quite now. :) > > > > > > > > Phillip B. > > > > > > > > www.LoungeRoyale.com > > > > www.FillWorks.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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