Part of leaving people the hell alone would have to incorporate leaving my income alone so it is not taken from me and disbursed to others.
I won't tell you what to do with your body, what color to paint your house, etc... But don't come around with your hand out. I earn my money and pay my way in life. I don't have more children than I can afford (currently one child, a 2 1/2 year old daughter) nor do I constitute a burden on our courts, jails or prisons. I don't mind helping the disabled (otherly-abled, handicap or whatever the PC word of the day is). But someone with 9 kids looking for a hand out doesn't seem to fit the criteria. If she cannot be responsible for herself and her actions and wants handouts from society, thus having society be responsible for her. Then society should be able to tell her if she can have more kids or not. Otherwise, pay your own way in life and reserve your right to make your own choices in life. -----Original Message----- From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent.... First Kevin and now TIm :) aaaaaaargh..... maybe its conservative mind control implants :) Seriously... one of the things I really liked about Texas was the very deep respect of local government there for people's right to be left the hell alone. Dana Heald, Tim writes: > Mike, > > I have to disagree. What one does with their body is still their own > business. This would simply be removing responsibility from the individual > once again. A mandatory military enlistment forces you to act on your > responsibilities as a citizen. This makes you not have to be responsible > for your personal actions. > > Not to mention how would you enforce something like this? How do you make > people not have babies? The ideas about birth control mentioned earlier not > only violate some people religious freedoms, as Dana mentioned, but they > force you to put something foreign into your body, something that has been > linked with cancer. > > Will it be forced abortion for those that get pregnant without a license? > Or will they just be forced to give up the kid? At what age do you begin to > implants in girls or vasectomies in boys? Kids are getting pregnant at ever > younger ages. > > How would you deal with all of that? See this is why I think we need to be > responsible to ourselves and those that we choose to bring into our circle > of responsibility (spouses, children). With the welfare state, and social > programs you make everyone responsible to everyone else. That's not right. > Where is individualism in that? > > Also, as with any federal program, I will always measure it against the > tenth amendment. Where in the constitution does it give the government the > right to interfere in someone's life and body like this? I mean I would > think that the 4th amendment would specifically not allow for this: > > "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, > and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or > affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the > persons or things to be seized." > > Read the first part again: > > "The right of the people to be secure in their persons" > > 'nough said? > > Timothy Heald > Information Systems Specialist > Overseas Security Advisory Council > U.S. Department of State > 571.345.2235 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:32 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > Tim - > > Good reasoning, but I have to wonder if legalization would ever stand a > chance of passage in today's political climate. > > The point here is a little broader than simply trying to cut down on the > number of people going to jail, that's only one of the proposed > benefits. I think people having to get a license to be a parent is an > interesting approach to cutting the link between violent crime and child > abuse. Even if only a percent of a percent of children benefit from such > a program, it would be worthwhile. > > Also, think about the parents you know. How many of them started off > ready to be parents? In my case, I was a college student who had never > had to balance a budget, cook a meal more substantial than ramen > noodles, or keep house. Suddenly, I had to feed and clothe a child. > That's a big transition. Learning these things was a lot of trial and > error, and has led to some pretty tough situations. Sometimes the > experience was overwhelming, and I could see how some people could just > lose it and go overboard on their kids. A little more knowledge of how > to deal with the challenges beforehand might go a long way in the more > tragic cases. And let's face it - 30% of children in America are born > out of wedlock, it's not like they are necessarily getting these skills > at home. > > Other countries have mandantory military programs where you go on active > duty for 2 years when you turn 18. This idea, while it may seem like > something that only benefits a few people, actually serves the same end, > that the common good can be upheld through vigorous preparation of young > adults. > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 1:54 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Yet another scumbag parent.... > > > That we put away a higher percentage than most nations is probably true, > but I would take exception to it mainly being violent crime. The last > time I was paying attention the major reasons for most incarcerations > were victimless crimes, usually related to drugs. > > If we legalized drugs and prostitution than we would no longer have to > spend all that money on enforcement and punishment, and we would be able > to tax it like we do cigarettes and alcohol. > > Timothy Heald > Information Systems Specialist > Overseas Security Advisory Council > U.S. Department of State > 571.345.2235 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
