:-P
Seriously though, I agree with Jochem. Code to standards. Unfortunately, you
can't always use the full implementation of the standards if most of your
audience is IE. And you care.
-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Haggerty, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:55 AM
Subject: RE: Is Safari really prime-time ready? Do we need to consider it
supported in our apps?
> Before I answer that question, are there any serious Mac users on this
> list?
>
> I responded to a similar question on /., a debate ensued and I got
> modded down as a troll.
>
> Safari is in its infancy as a browser and is just learning how to walk.
> You can support it, but you will be changing your applications every
> year or so as new versions come out.
>
> On some of the sites I maintain, there have not been any hits from a
> Safari browser. The same is true for a lot of sites throughout the
> Federal govt. (well, probably not for NEA).
>
> You need to know your audience and make decisions based on evidence. If
> even 1% of your users look at you through a Safari browser, consider
> making it compliant but first look at the cost of maintaining it for the
> next 5 years as Apple gets rolling with this thing.
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:58 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Is Safari really prime-time ready? Do we need to
> consider it supported in our apps?
>
>
> We had a report from a user of an error on one of our apps when
> viewing with
> Safari, but even that user confirmed it works fine for him in
> IE. I just
> got a Mac OSX a few hours ago and started testing things out
> with Safari and
> found a lot of things don't work right--some consistently but
> most
> inconsistently.
>
> Our graphic designer says he uses Safari as his primary browser
> but often
> has trouble with some public web sites and when that happens he
> switches to
> IE for those sites and they work fine.
>
> So, is Safari really ready for prime time? It is fully released
> and out of
> beta, right? What do average users (non-programmers) think when
> they run
> into pages that don't display properly in Safari? Do they blame
> (maybe
> curse) the developers?
>
> How many people out there say they support Safari on their
> sites? Do you
> actively test with it? If so are there known issues with
> work-arounds?
>
> We're having trouble with both Flash related and pure-HTML
> pages. In one
> case we have a frameset and a little over half the time the
> bottom frame
> never shows up. We can do a view source and all the right
> content is there.
> If we save it locally and load it's there. If we open the frame
> in a new
> window it's there. But inside the frameset, it's not always
> there--but it's
> inconsistent.
>
> Also, is there a good mailing list or forum for safari
> questions? All I saw
> was the Apple web-development list which is everything including
> the kitchen
> sink in one list (apache, dhtml, _javascript_, php, mysql, safari,
> whatever).
> Not my idea of a productive list and since being subscribed for
> a few hours
> I haven't had a single message yet, so maybe it's not active
> either.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam
>
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