the guests presenting opinions. If the host repeatedly presents opinions
then they are presenting the network bias.
-Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re:fair and balanced more on the Fox Survey
> Yes she wasn't on air for NPR with that. I'll find you some of the quotes
that are from her on the air.
>
> There is a different O'reilly, Hannity, et al have opinion shows. Not
news shows. They are supposed to express their opinions, and their bias.
Last time I checked, morning edition was not labeled an opinion program.
>
> >But you're not presenting the context of that quote. That quote is not
from
> >her as a reporter on NPR, it's from her as a guest on the talk show
"Inside
> >Washington". She wasn't working in the capacity of a reporter for that
show,
> >she was there in the capacity of a guest with an opinion. HUGE
difference.
> >
> >I do listen to NPR all the time, and I can say that she almost always
keeps
> >her personal opinions out of her reporting. I've seen her on the lecture
> >circuit, and yes she personally is biased. But that is different than her
> >presentation on NPR.
> >
> >But on Fox, O'Reilly, Hume and gang wrap up their opinions and present it
as
> >reporting. HUGE difference.
> >
> >-Kevin
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:03 PM
> >Subject: Re:fair and balanced more on the Fox Survey
> >
> >
> >> Dana, the reason I mention is that bias leads to lack of objectivity.
> >Take this quote from Ms Totenberg. This is one of her more agregious
> >statements. I'll find more at home when I'm not at work.
> >>
> >> "I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good Lord'
s
> >mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get AIDS from a
> >transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it."
> >>
> >> That was in regards to a statment Jesse Helms made.
> >>
> >> I am not arguing that Fox is unbiased or always truthful. What I am
> >arguing is that NPR is not the unbiased bastion of news that Larry wants
it
> >to be or thinks it is, and they don't always, almost never, portray both
> >sides of the issue. They aren't always truthful when it comes to
portraying
> >news stories, because I believe in order to be truthful you have to
present
> >both sides of the story.
> >>
> >> >I have no idea who Nina Totenberg is but I will look at the quotes. if
> >> >I am
> >> >stil here. When I listen it is usually in the car or late at night; I
> >> >catch
> >> >all those specials about murders in Manitoba and things :)
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Schmidt writes:
> >> >
> >> >> Dana, let me dig up some of the quotes from Nina Totenburg and see
> >> >if you think they are objective. I do listen to NPR, it's certainly
> >> >better than listening to Bob and Tom on the way into work. I enjoy
> >> >Bob Edwards and Carl Castle, however they, NPR, rarely, if ever,
> >> >present viewpoints that are from conservative groups. I should start
> >> >a log, of course, I don't listen 24/7, but just track how often the
> >> >only present the viewpoint from the liberal side of the issue, or only
> >> >talk to a Liberal group and try to pass them off as non partisan.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Objectivity is rarely attained by anyone, even a journalist who is
> >> >> >conciously striving for it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Furthermore it can be perverted. If the president made a speech
> >> >tomorrow
> >> >> >that said that Canada was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction I
> >> >think
> >> >> >Fox would report it deadpan:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "President Bush today nnounced that British intelligence has
> >> >learned that
> >> >> >the Canadians are srockpiling weapons of mass destruction." Neither
> >> >their
> >> >> >format not their temperament would lead them to go further. At best
> >> >this
> >> >> >reporting style is straight out of Journalism 101, where the
> >> >director of
> >> >> >economic development is presumed to be an authoritative source on
> >> >the
> >> >> >effects of the county budget, a congressman is presumed to be
> >> >speaking
> >> >> >truth when he says what the bill he is introducing will do, etc.
> >> >But this
> >> >> >made them prey if not willing patsies for corrupt government
> >> >officials.
> >> >> >(let's say there are some; I don't think you believe this yet, but
> >> >humor
> >> >> >me) Journalism has now taken a statement made to a roomful of
> >> >people and
> >> >> >made it global ok and by the way sold a lot of newspapers. This
> >> >type of
> >> >> >journalist covers the facts but not the story.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >NPR would be more likely to say huh? Canada? we must be talking
> >> >about
> >> >> >Labatt's bottles, and to look into it. To be fair, their format
> >> >allows them
> >> >> >a more detailed examination of the stories they cover. But beyond
> >> >that I
> >> >> >think that they do at least try harder to present the truth as they
> >> >see it.
> >> >> >They are of the interpretive school of journalism that would report
> >> >the
> >> >> >above story so:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"President Bush's surprising assertion earlier today that Canada
> >> >is
> >> >> >stockpiling WMD is possibly due due to the breakbown earlier this
> >> >week of
> >> >> >trade talks between the two countries, speculates Professor Blabla
> >> >WoofWoof
> >> >> >of the thisnthant Institute for Policy Studies. He is here with us
> >> >today in
> >> >> >the studio. Professor, why do you say that..."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >ëtc
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The latter is arguably less objective but is also less uncritical
> >> >and so
> >> >> >may come closer to the truth.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >MY deep thought for the day. I am outta here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dana
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Kevin Schmidt writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Of course it's not, for you. Because you know the answer is no.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >At 10:44 AM 10/17/2003, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >>I knew it Larry. You wouldn't be able to answer a simple yes
> >> >or no
> >> >> >> >>question. So i'll try again. Do you think NPR presents an
> >> >unbiased view
> >> >> >> >>of the news? Yes or No, it's a pretty easy question.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Its simply not worth replying to your sort of screedn.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
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