even a picture (other than a Judge CD on Amazon of all places). I think
I want to haul out the old Gorilla Biscuits et. al. stuff because the
stuff that passes for hardcore/punk these days makes me furious. Good
Charlotte? Good Lord.
- Jim
Jerry Johnson wrote:
>You mean this shirt?
>
>http://www.soarecords.it/distro/tshirts/pages/judge.htm
>
>Haven't found it for sale yet, but I'll keep looking.
>
>Jerry Johnson
>
>
>
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 02:35PM >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>SUB
>HUM
>ANS
>
>Great - I'm off to the CD store after work now. It's been too long.
>Hey, as long as I have all you aging punks' attention... does anyone
>know where I can get a Judge t-shirt? I'm having a fit of nostalgia to
>my old hardcore sXe days back in high school, and I used to have this
>green t-shirt with Judge's two-sledgehammer logo on it - wore it all the
>time (along with my GBH and Sick Of It All gear)... I'm sure there's
>some 80's punk shop out there that has this stuff :)
>
>- Jim
>
>Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Google shows:
>>
>>Subhumans:Worlds Apart:Businessmen (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80306201527&sql=Adjtvad6kv8w8)
>>
>>Here comes the original business man
>>He smiles at you as he shakes your hand
>>'Listen to me', he's got a lot to say
>>But you don't understand
>>No you don't understand
>>So you say 'O.K.'
>>
>>They'll do it once, they'll do it again
>>The world is run by business men
>>They'll do it once, they'll do it again
>>The world is run by business men
>>
>>He takes your money, you take his word
>>He tells you things you've never heard
>>He says 'Sign here on the dotted line'
>>But you don't understand
>>No you don't understand
>>But you think it's all right
>>You think it's all right
>>
>>He disappears for a month or two
>>He ripped you off and you dunno what to do
>>You'd take him to court but you don't know his name
>>Cos business men
>>Yes business men
>>Are all the same
>>They're all the same
>>
>>They'll do it once, they'll do it again
>>The world is run by business men
>>They'll do it once, they'll do it again
>>The world is run by business men
>>
>>Don't forget, it will soon appends to you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/03 02:12PM >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Damn, now I'm not sure. I want to say the Vandals.
>>
>>Shawn
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:31 AM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: Re: Threat to the Internet
>>
>>
>>It sounds like, but isn't from one of my favorite Rancid songs.
>>
>>--benD
>>
>>Shawn Regan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It was only a matter of time!
>>>
>>>
>>>"They did it once they can do it again. The world is run by business men"
>>>
>>>
>>>Name that punk band!
>>>
>>>
>>>Shawn Regan
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:59 PM
>>>To: CF-Community
>>>Subject: Threat to the Internet
>>>
>>>Comments?
>>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.com/news/104404.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>><http://www.msnbc.com/news/104404.asp>
>><http://www.msnbc.com/news/104404.asp>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Domain names and the threat to the Net
>>>
>>>A tale of intrigue, double-dealing and global power struggles
>>>
>>>WASHINGTON - This is a tale that has all the intrigue, double-dealing and
>>>global power struggles of a spy novel. But the plot line is real, with
>>>nothing less then the fate of the Internet community hanging in the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>balance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Call it the "Domain Name" factor.
>>>It starts with a group of self-appointed technocrats, a kind of Internet
>>>cabal, which operates with no authority of law or formal governance, which
>>>has simply rushed in to fill the power vacuum on the Internet, which has,
>>>since inception, operated in a spirit of consensus and community.
>>> Not since the OPEC oil cartel of 1970s have so few held so many in
>>>economic bondage. The Internet cabal holds no less power over the global
>>>economic infrastructure we call cyberspace.
>>> This cabal intends to control how and when new domain names will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>added to the current list of .com, .org, .edu, .gov and .mil, and who gets
>>>the rights to act as a registry of those domain names.
>>>
>>> THE MEMO
>>> The group operates from a document, known as the Generic Top Level
>>>Domain Memorandum of Understanding, produced by 11 self-appointed
>>>participants in closed-door meetings in Geneva.
>>> The group set up a U.N.-style international tribunal that operates
>>>under the auspices of the International Telecommunications Union, which
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>has
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>headquarters in Geneva. The group steadfastly contends that the process
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>has
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>been "open" from the beginning and that such a document is needed to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>ensure
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>fair competition and stability for the registration of domain names and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Internet.
>>> But the group has garnered no consensus in the Internet community.
>>>During a two-day meeting on the issue of domain name registry held in
>>>Washington last week, the veneer of openness and cooperation being spun by
>>>the cabal began to be stripped away.
>>> "Make no mistake, this process is not about technology, it is all
>>>about power," said Jay Fenello, president of Iperdome, a small company
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>is vying to compete in the domain name registry business.
>>>
>>> THE INTRIGUE
>>> This whole mess started as a result of the troubles Network
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Solutions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Inc. had in its role as the sole administer of so-called "Top Level
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Domain"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>names, those ending in .com, .edu, .org, etc. NSI operates as a
>>>government-subsidized monopoly under a contract set to expire next year.
>>> Anticipating the end of that monopoly, two influential groups
>>>decided that some plan had to be put in motion to guide the Internet going
>>>forward. Those two groups are the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, or
>>>IANA, and the Internet Society, known as ISOC.
>>> The IANA operates under a loose charter from the U.S. government
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>act as kind of administrator for handing out the blocs of numbers that are
>>>tied to each formal domain name, such as MSNBC.COM, which are used by
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>"root
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>servers" to determine what message goes where. The ISOC is a non-profit,
>>>scientific, educational and charitable entity, incorporated in 1992 in
>>>Washington.
>>>
>>> FUTURE OF THE INTERNET
>>> These two groups put together the Internet International Ad Hoc
>>>Committee, which hunkered down for eight weeks with members of the ITU and
>>>World Intellectual Property Organization and hammered out the memo of
>>>understanding, a document that essentially sets up a global governance
>>>scheme for the future of the Internet.
>>> That document spawned other organizations, such as the Policy
>>>Oversight Committee, which is intended to oversee policies outlined in the
>>>memo. Members of the oversight committee were chosen from those who
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>drafted>
>>
>>
>>
>>>the document. It then fell to the ITU to circulate the memo for signatures
>>>
>>>
>>>from its members, which are comprised of sovereign states.
>>
>>
>>> To date, the memo has garnered more than more than 150
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>signatories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>However, those signatories come with a huge caveat: not a single
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>government,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>save Albania, has signed on.
>>> This process has drawn the ire of virtually everyone outside the
>>>small cabal of organizations that had a hand in drafting the document. The
>>>memo, "although without the stature of a treaty because it can be signed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>by
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>parties other than sovereign states, is clearly an intergovernmental
>>>agreement that possesses significant binding force and effect . as public
>>>international law," writes Tony Rutkowski, former executive director of
>>>ISOC.
>>> Remember, IANA and ISOC have absolutely no formal authority to
>>>proceed with this process - they just decided to "do it." Indeed, when ITU
>>>called a meeting of signatories and potential signatories of the memo in
>>>Geneva earlier this year, Secretary of State Madeline Albright sent a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>secret
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>cable, which was leaked to the Internet, to the U.S. mission in Geneva,
>>>upbraiding the ITU secretary general for calling such a meeting "without
>>>authorization of the member governments." She instructed U.S. diplomats to
>>>"cover" the meeting, but with lower-level staff, so as to not give the
>>>appearance of U.S. support of the memo.
>>>
>>> DOUBLE-DEALING?
>>> At the domain-name meeting in Washington, participants generally
>>>acknowledged that there are no technical obstacles keeping an unlimited
>>>number of top-level domain names from being created. This would allow the
>>>creation of domain names like .sex, .web, .biz, .XYZ and so on. Indeed, an
>>>additional seven domain names have been proposed by the Internet cabal,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>but
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>no more. The reason for limiting the number of top domains is simply to
>>>appease the legal divisions of major international corporations; these
>>>companies don't want to have to register their trademarks across
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>potentially
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>hundreds of domain names.
>>> Well, screw the suits. There are courts established for protecting
>>>trademarks. Policing trademarks is a cost of doing business in the analog
>>>world; it should be no different in cyberspace. Artificially limiting the
>>>number of domain names, when there is no technological reason to do so, is
>>>yet another attempt by the Internet cabal to enforce its control over the
>>>Net.
>>> As part of that control, the cabal has set up what it calls the
>>>Council of Registrars, which will operate under Swiss law. Companies are
>>>encouraged to submit applications to become an official registrar of
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>domain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>names under the council. Only companies accepted by the council will be
>>>allowed to compete in the open market to register new domain names, as
>>>approved by the memo. Small catch: In order to be "approved" companies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>must
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>first sign onto the memo and pony up $10,000.
>>> To take care of trademark disputes, the council will have an
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>appeals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>tribunal known as the "administrative domain name challenge panel."
>>> This is seen as a threat to intellectual property and trademarks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>by
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Andrew L. Sernovitz, president of the Interactive Media Association and
>>>founder of the Open Internet Congress, a group dedicated to thwarting the
>>>efforts of the Internet cabal.
>>> The panels "conduct their work in Geneva or via online
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>discussions,"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sernovitz says in a document on his group's web site. "You will have no
>>>right to a face-to-face defense against your challenger, he says.
>>> Further, "During the challenge period, your Internet address can
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>suspended," Sernovitz says. "If you lose a case . you will have lost your
>>>rights forever. There is no appeals process and there is no one to sue."
>>>
>>> THE POWER GRAB
>>> The cabal is moving this process forward on a fast track, claiming
>>>that action must be taken quickly to keep the Internet from folding in on
>>>itself. This hurry-up stance goes against the entire culture of the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Internet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>and is yet another reason why critics claim the memo is simply a power
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>grab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The moves by this cabal are set on a train wreck course with the
>>>U.S. government. Currently a government interagency working group is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>asking
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>the Internet community for suggestions on how to handle the domain name
>>>issue. On July 2, the Commerce Department put a notice in the Federal
>>>Register seeking comments on how to proceed with the issue. "The
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Government
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>has not endorsed any plan at this time but believes that it is very
>>>important to reach consensus on these policy issues as soon as possible,"
>>>the notice says.
>>>
>>> HANGING IN THE BALANCE
>>> In discussions with dozens of people ranging from industry to
>>>government officials, a theme I keep hearing is that this structure of
>>>global governance for the Internet won't stop at domain names. "The
>>>governance models that we choose today for the Internet will be the ones
>>>that are placed on society in the next century," a U.S. government
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>official
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>told me, in what he admittedly called a "messianic" remark. "Sometimes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>this
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>thought keeps me up at night."
>>> I won't go that far, but I do know that setting up a global body
>>>that operates on the U.N. model will sound the death knell for an open and
>>>thriving spirit of innovation and cooperation that has driven the Internet
>>>to date. Such a governing body, emboldened by a successful domain name
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>coup,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>isn't likely to stop there. They will take on other issues, such as
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>content
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>and marketing, in a kind of cyberspace governing mission creep.
>>> Let's hope that enough people respond to the Commerce Department's
>>>notice in time for the government to step up and stop the Internet cabal
>>>before it puts its plan into action.
>>>
>>> Meeks out ...
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _____
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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