There is no fence and there are no armed guards -- however if you are travelling by road there is a checkpoint and you do have to talk to US customs and immigration. Even on very small roads. At least, this is true along the Quebec-Vermont border --- due to geography it is almost impossible to cross to/from Ontario at anything but a major point. There is the Thousand Islands, the Peace Bridge is Detroit, the Rainbow Bridge (Sarnia?), Sault Ste Marie, and a couple of points on the far side of Lake Superior (Fort something? Drummond? It's kinda nowhere on both sides of the border)

Anyway... I suppose you *could* hike overland from Alberta to Montana or something, but it would be a very arduous journey I think... and the Border Patrol cruises about 30-50 miles inside the border. I know I often saw them in Uvalde, and there is a checkpoint north of Las Cruces on I-25.

Actually it's the longest *undefended* border is the usual phrase I think -- not unpatrolled.

Dana

>Excuse me, I meant that Middle-Eastern Terrorists are known to come
>into the US via Canada. This was publicized on national news shows
>after 911. Gosh, with this kind of story, if I were a terrorist, I
>would go through Canada - why would I even take the chance on being
>taken in at US Customs only to be deported and tortured?  The fact
>that it has a HUGE unpatrolled border with the US makes it a prime
>entry target.   Whether or not you believe it that is a matter of
>personal choice.  I'm sure there's documentation on it where it did
>happen as well your documentation below.
>
>- Matthew Small
>
>----- Original Message -----
  
>From: Dharmesh Goel
  
>To: CF-Community
  
>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:49 AM
  
>Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
>
  
>Hi Mathew,
>
  
>I strongly disagree with
>
  
>"The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
>into the US via Canada."
>
  
>This is a case of if a lie is told over and over again, people will
>start believing it. The last time I checked, borders are manned and
>controlled by US Immigration and customs at points of entry.
>
  
>Here is a discussion on this:
  
>http://www.cbc.
>ca/disclosure/archives/documents/030211_blamecanada_buchanan.html
>
  
>Another article:
  
>http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/01/19/fObserver172.raw.html
>
  
>Tons of discussion on this topic out there in cyberspace.
>
  
>Some excerpts
  
>------------------------
  
>DISCLOSURE: I'm sure you remember this whole incident over the New
>Year period, where there was this alert that there were five men in
>the United States.
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Mm hmm.
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: And reports were that they had come from Canada, somehow
>related to terrorism.
>
  
>BUCHANAN: And it was a hoax.
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: And it was a hoax.
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Right.
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: So, what do you make of that?
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Well it was a hoax but [laugh] they probably felt that
>because it was from Canada it would be believed, is my guess.
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: Well is that fair?
>
  
>------------------------
  
>DISCLOSURE: -you've got a situation in this country where you had 19
>hijackers coming through the front door, now where's the problem?
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Well it -Look the- Clearly the United States is the target.
>And they come into our airports, they come through Canada, they come
>through Mexico, so let's tighten-
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: Well they- who comes through Canada?
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Well- Look. We've already been over this, but-
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: Who comes through Canada though? Has there been an
>incident with somebody who comes through-
>
  
>BUCHANAN: Well there are many terrorists as you know, so, [laugh] that
>have been sitting there almost operating freely-
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: Well-
>
  
>BUCHANAN: -up in Canada.
>
  
>DISCLOSURE: Well so you say, but where's the terrorist incidents?
  
>---------------------
>
  
>Dharmesh
>
  
>-----Original Message-----
  
>From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:38 PM
  
>To: CF-Community
  
>Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
  
>The publicized fact that is that Middle-Easterners are known to come
>into the US via Canada.  This is a suspicious situation, plain and
>simple.  I didn't agree with the fact that he was tortured or deported.  
>I said it was suspicious and I believe the right thing to do is to
>question further. You don't have to give me one, the one taints the
>other two.  I don't like a lot of things going on with this kind of
>interrogation, but they were right on the money in detaining him for
>further questioning.  Bigoted?  How about realistic.  Lots of people
>have been "further questioned" for far less, including myself.  I'm a
>young white southern male.
>
  
>- Matt Small
>
      
>
   
>----- Original Message -----
   
>From: Raymond Camden
   
>To: CF-Community
   
>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:37 PM
   
>Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
>
   
>Wow, so you listed 3 facts:
>
   
>1) A middle-easterner living in Canada.
>
   
>So, is Canada just a bunch of white guys?
>
   
>2) Coming back from a Middle-Eastern country.
>
   
>So all Middle-Eastern countries are under suspicion now?
>
   
>3) Known contact with a terrorist.
>
   
>Wasn't he a suspected, not proven terrorist? Wasn't the contact from
   
>years ago? I can maybe give you this one, but the other two are
>simply
   
>wrong. Bigoted at worst.
>
   
>-rc
>
   
>> -----Original Message-----
   
>> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:40 AM
   
>> To: CF-Community
   
>> Subject: Re: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
   
>>
   
>>
   
>> A Middle-Easterner living in Canada, coming back from a
   
>> Middle-Eastern country, known contact with Middle-Eastern
   
>> terrorists.  That's suspicious.  I didn't say guilty, I said
   
>> suspicious.  
   
>>
   
>> - Matt Small
   
>>
   
>>   ----- Original Message -----
   
>>   From: Raymond Camden
   
>>   To: CF-Community
   
>>   Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:22 PM
   
>>   Subject: RE: The Damasus Holiday Inn...
   
>>
   
>>
   
>>   > I don't agree with the torture and deportation...  but I
   
>>   > stand by the fact that it's a very suspicious scene.
   
>>
   
>>   Why? You said he was middle eastern flying from a islamic
   
>> country. Is
   
>>   that something rare? Doesn't this happen thousands of times
   
>> a day? Is it
   
>>   suspicious to fly home?
   
>>
   
>>   -ray
   
>>
   
>>
   
>>
   
>>
>
>
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