1. We did not invade South Vietnam, we replaced the French in helping the
current Government repress their people. Much different. Oh, and we were
fighting the invaders than. Small differences, but important.
2. The number of deaths in Vietnam was much higher. Frankly, the current
death toll is much less than I expected.
3. You and I really have no clue what the majority of Iraq's think. My best
guess is a mixed bag. Glad that we threw the bum out, but anxious about the
future.
4. I believe that the latest polls still show majority support for the war,
which was NOT the case in Vietnam
So yes in compares in that both were/are countries and we sent military people
there. But then so does France, Germany, Italy....
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Bush resume
Sure I can...
We invade country to save it from a totalitarian regime and threat to the US
We engage in a public affairs campaign to get the native people behind us.
Everything starts off well then collapses into quagmire
US public widely decries the involvement in a foreign country
Soldiers get killed every day defending a country that detests their
presence.
That compares somewhat to Vietnam, doesn't it?
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Bush resume
You may be able to spell. But it appears that you can't compare.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Bush resume
I can spell and say it.
I - R - A - Q. Vietnam.
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Ousterhout
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: Bush resume
Nope. LBJ. Can you say Vietnam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:18 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Bush resume
He might have meant Andrew Johnson...
- Matt Small
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry C. Lyons
To: CF-Community
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Bush resume
Given Johnson's record on the Civil Rights bill and continuing
Kennedy's
legislative agenda, I think its rather inappropriate for him to be
on
this
list.
Nixon on the other hand...
larry
At 01:16 PM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>Jimmy C., Johnson, and the current list of contenders...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:52 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Bush resume
>
> If that bunch of presidents includes Ulysses S. Grant, Gerald
Ford
and
> the one in Superman 2 who knelt before Zod like a bitch, I
might
just
> agree with you :)
>
> - Jim
>
> Andy Ousterhout wrote:
>
> >LOL. And probably not too far off.
> >
> >I clearly don't think that Bush is a great president, he just
happens
> to be
> >the best of the bunch.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:25 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> >
> >
> > I think "thinking big" is a large part of Bush's
popularity. I
don't
> > think he has a clue about how to manage the economy (or
give
the
> > impression of managing the economy), but there were a _lot_
of
big,
bold
> > "big picture" initiatives that were pushed through after
the
attacks.
> > War On Terrorism! (Swoosh!), Department of Homeland
Defense!
(Shazam!),
> > PATRIOT Act! (Kerpow!), Operation Enduring Freedom!
(Kaboom!).
They
> > were impressive feats of bureaucratic manipulation, but the
economic
> > policies seem wan and uncreative.
> >
> > Here's a check for $300 - have fun. I'm cutting taxes,
sort
of.
Oh,
> > uh, here's another check for $400, go get yourself
something
nice,
ok?
> >
> > It seems to me that the "Economy" as a whole is sort of
rooted
in
> > large-group psychology. While I don't believe the
president
himself has
> > that much *actual* control over the economy, I think his
and
his
> > administration's attitude towards it can play into the
general
> > perception of how things are going and make people more
optimistic
about
> > things.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> >
> > >And that is news to who?
> > >
> > >Presidents need to think big. Short term fixes create a
pendulum
>effect,
> >long
> > >term changes have long term impacts.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:49 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> > >
> > >
> > > Nobel winners attack Bush economics
> > >
> > > "Regardless of how one views the specifics of the Bush
plan,
there is
> >wide
> > >agreement that its purpose is a permanent change in the
tax
structure
>and
> >not
> > >the creation of jobs and growth in the near term," the
economists
said
>in a
> > >statement published by the Economic Policy Institute.
> > >
> > >
>
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2735269.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/bu
siness/2735269.stm
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Andy Ousterhout
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 10:05 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Bush resume
> > >
> > > I guess all the economists are wrong too. If it were
not
for
that
>damn
> > >Bush:
> > > 1 All of the world's ills would be cured.
> > > 2. All of the excesses of the 90's would have
retroactively
> > >disappeared,
> > > 3. All of those BAD business people who quickly
realized
that
>BUSH
> >was
> > > lax on businesses would not have been able to implement
evil
business
> > > practices SO quickly that it appeared that they had been
following
>them
> > >since
> > > the 90's
> > > 4. Business would be ignoring the lower cost of
labor
in
other
> > >countries
> > > and would have continued to hire people who provided
diminishing
> value
> >for
> > >the
> > > love of country(sorry, God's out)
> > > 5. All of those foreigners who think that we suck
would
not
be
> >risking
> > > life and limb to sneak into OUR country voluntarily work
for,
god
>forbid,
> > > below minimum wage, and send huge amounts of their
paltry
earnings
>back
> >to
> > > their highly advantaged family who stayed home to live a
life of
>luxury.
> > > 6. Yale's image would have remained untarnished
> > >
> > > My bad.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:39 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Bush resume
> > >
> > > Actually the statement that the economy is in a
turnaround, is
more
>pie
> >in
> > > the
> > > sky. Jobs continue to be lost, prosecutions of those
involved
in
> >business
> > > fraud, and securities scams are still running at a
less
than
> >enthusiastic
> > > rate.
> > > Our borders are still insecure. Non-Mexican illegal
immigrants are
> >still
> > > released into the streets after capture by the INS.
His
energy and
>oil
> > > patch
> > > friends are still not being called to account for
their
mis-deeds.
>Our
> > > reputation internationally has sunk to a historic low.
But I
do
>have
> >to
> > > credit
> > > him for this, he still has a fanatic following, and
the
big
bucks
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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