>sigh<  I just wanted to pass along a funny e-mail and now I've got Jesus kung fu-kicking O'Reilly (the guy who writes the tech books with the animals on the covers?) through the goalposts of the Matrix while looking for his spoon.

: )

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Kevin Graeme
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: distinctions between xmas and chanukah

  Hey, it's as good as any other.

  "Whoa! I know Kung Fu."

  -Kevin

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Matthew Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: distinctions between xmas and chanukah

  > OK, Charlie, it's time to listen to the guy who thinks "The Matrix" is
  spiritual advice. :-)
  >
  > - Matt Small
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Marlon Moyer
  >   To: CF-Community
  >   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:52 PM
  >   Subject: Re: distinctions between xmas and chanukah
  >
  >
  >   The Matrix
  >
  >   Matthew Small wrote:
  >
  >   > Where is that from?
  >   >
  >   > - Matt Small
  >   >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   From: Marlon Moyer
  >   >   To: CF-Community
  >   >   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:44 PM
  >   >   Subject: Re: distinctions between xmas and chanukah
  >   >
  >   >   Or just realize "there is no spoon"
  >   >
  >   >   Matthew Small wrote:
  >   >
  >   >   > It's never too late to start practicing.  It will probably bring
  you
  >   >   > some inner peace.  You should try your native faith or that of
  your
  >   >   > wife and children.  Good luck.
  >   >   >
  >   >   > - Matt Small
  >   >   >
  >   >   > ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >   From: Charlie Griefer
  >   >   >   To: CF-Community
  >   >   >   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:00 PM
  >   >   >   Subject: Re: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Heya Ben:
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Actually that was said with a hint of sarcasm (what?  you
  couldn't
  >   >   > hear it?) : )
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Unfortunately, that's the way it was in my house.  We just
  weren't
  >   >   > very religious...and it was fairly early on that Chanukah
  >   >   > 'degenerated' into a simple gift exchange with no ceremony
  >   > attached to
  >   >   > it...and ultimately into nothing at all.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Today, I consider myself a non-practicing Jew.  I'm married to a
  >   >   > wonderful Lutheran woman, and we are raising our children
  >   >   > Lutheran.  My wife's religion was simply more important to her
  than
  >   >   > mine was to me, due to the way each of us was brought up.  To be
  >   >   > honest, it's very depressing not having a religion to believe in.
  I
  >   >   > don't mind at all that my daughter (and whatever children follow)
  are
  >   >   > going to be raised Lutheran.  I wouldn't have cared if I had
  >   > fallen in
  >   >   > love and married a Catholic or an Episcopalean or for that
  >   > matter... a
  >   >   > Jew.  All that mattered (and matters) to me is that whatever
  religion
  >   >   > it ended up being...that they practiced it.  I don't necessarily
  care
  >   >   > what they believe...but I want them to believe in *something*.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Trust me, I envy you for taking pleasure in the simple act of
  >   >   > lighting the candles and saying the prayers (regardless of whether
  or
  >   >   > not gifts were involved).  I envy your children for having had
  those
  >   >   > principles instilled in them (and commend you for doing so).  I'm
  >   >   > going to try and do the same for my children.  Wish me luck  : )
  >   >   >
  >   >   >   Charlie
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >     From: Ben Braver
  >   >   >     To: CF-Community
  >   >   >     Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:38 PM
  >   >   >     Subject: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     Oh, Charlie, do I ever disagree with you on this:
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     "No reason to light the menorah and say a prayer if there were
  no
  >   >   > presents to open", you say?
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     *NOT*
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     My young-adult kids even asked a couple of years ago that I
  >   > not go
  >   >   > overboard trying to fill up 8 days with presents.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     We say the blessings and light the menorah whether we have
  >   >   > presents or not. I love to sit and watch the candles. Yes,
  sometimes
  >   >   > we skip a night due to some of the schedule conflicts this time of
  >   >   > year, but not because there are no gifts for that night...
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     YMMV.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     -Ben
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > my take on #10...
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >     > kids will always get their xmas presents...
  >   >   >     > but on any given night of Chanukah, a parent reserves the
  >   > right to
  >   >   >     > withhold presents (or at least to threaten to do so).
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >     > Actually I was relatively young when my parents started the
  >   >   >     > "bargaining process".  As the presents I wanted became more
  and
  >   >   > more
  >   >   >     > expensive, I was told, "OK...but if you want <name of more
  >   >   > expensive
  >   >   >     > present here>, you can only get 5 gifts instead of 8".
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >     > Eventually one gift got exchanged, the menorah gathered dust
  (no
  >   >   >     > reason to light the menorah and say a prayer if there were
  no
  >   >   > presents
  >   >   >     > to open), and we all just grew up and grew jaded  : )
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >     > ah, youth.
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > ----- Original Message -----
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > From: Ben Braver
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > To: CF-Community
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:14 AM
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > Subject: Re:distinctions between xmas and chanukah
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > Oy, Charlie, ROFLMAO bubbela !!
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > Vay is meer, that was FUNNY!
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > But I don't get #10 ??
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > re: #12, Joseph preceded the Xmas carol saying
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > "Have yourself a Mary little Christmas"
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > <hohoho>
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > -Ben
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >HOLIDAY DISTINCTIONS
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >1. Christmas is one day, same day every year: December 25.
  >   > Jews
  >   >   > also
  >   >   >     > love
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >December 25th. It's another paid day off work. We go to
  >   > movies and
  >   >   >     > out for
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Chinese food, and Israeli dancing. Chanukah is 8 days. It
  >   >   > starts the
  >   >   >     > evening
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >of the 24th of Kislev, whenever that falls. No one is ever
  >   >   > sure. Jews
  >   >   >     > never
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >know until a non-Jewish friend asks when Chanukah starts,
  >   >   > forcing us
  >   >   >     > to
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >consult a calendar so we don't look like idiots. We all
  >   > have the
  >   >   >     > same
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >calendar, provided free with a donation from either the
  World
  >   >   > Jewish
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Congress, the kosher butcher, or the local Sinai Memorial
  >   > Chapel
  >   >   >     > (especially
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >in Florida) or other Jewish funeral home.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >2. Christmas is a major holiday. Chanukah is a minor
  holiday
  >   >   > with the
  >   >   >     > same
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >theme as most Jewish holidays. They tried to kill us, we
  >   > survived,
  >   >   >     > let's
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >eat.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >3. Christians get wonderful presents such as jewelry,
  perfume,
  >   >   >     > stereos...
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Jews get practical presents such as underwear, socks, or
  the
  >   >   >     > collected works
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >of the Rambam, which looks impressive on the bookshelf.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >4. There is only one way to spell Christmas. No one can
  decide
  >   >   > how to
  >   >   >     > spell
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Chanukah, Chanukah, Chanukka, Channukah, Hanukah, Hannukah.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >5. Christmas is a time of great pressure for husbands and
  >   >   > boyfriends.
  >   >   >     > Their
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >partners expect special gifts. Jewish men are relieved of
  that
  >   >   > burden.
  >   >   >     > No
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >one expects a diamond ring on Chanukah.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >6. Christmas brings enormous electric bills. Candles are
  >   > used for
  >   >   >     > Chanukah.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Not only are we spared enormous electric bills, but we get
  >   > to feel
  >   >   >     > good
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >about not contributing to the energy crisis.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >7. Christmas carols are beautiful. Silent Night, Come All
  Ye
  >   >   > Faithful....
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Chanukah songs are about dreidels made from clay or having
  >   > a party
  >   >   >     > and
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >dancing the horah. Of course, we are secretly pleased that
  >   > many of
  >   >   >     > the
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >beautiful carols were composed and written by our tribal
  >   > brethren.
  >   >   >     > And don't
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Barbara Streisand and Neil Diamond sing them beautifully?
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >8. A home preparing for Christmas smells wonderful. The
  sweet
  >   >   > smell
  >   >   >     > of
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >cookies and cakes baking. Happy people are gathered around
  in
  >   >   > festive
  >   >   >     > moods.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >A home preparing for Chanukah smells of oil, potatoes, and
  >   > onions.
  >   >   >     > The home,
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >as always, is full of loud people all talking at once.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >9. Women have fun baking Christmas cookies. Women burn
  their
  >   >   > eyes and
  >   >   >     > cut
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >their hands grating potatoes and onions for latkas on
  Chanukah.
  >   >   >     > Another
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >reminder of our suffering through the ages.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >10. Parents deliver to their children during Christmas.
  Jewish
  >   >   >     > parents have
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >no qualms about withholding a gift on any of the eight
  nights.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >11. The players in the Christmas story have easy to
  pronounce
  >   >   > names
  >   >   >     > such as
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Mary, Joseph, and Jesus. The players in the Chanukah story
  are
  >   >   >     > Antiochus,
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Judah Maccabee, and Matta whatever. No one can spell it or
  >   >   > pronounce
  >   >   >     > it. On
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >the plus side, we can tell our friends anything and they
  >   >   > believe we
  >   >   >     > are
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >wonderfully versed in our history.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >12. Many Christians believe in the virgin birth. Jews
  think,
  >   >   > "Joseph,
  >   >   >     >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >Bubela, snap out of it. Your woman is pregnant, you didn't
  >   >   > sleep with
  >   >   >     > her,
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >and now you want to blame G-d. Here's the number of my
  shrink."
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >13. In recent years, Christmas has become more and more
  >   >   >     > commercialized. The
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >same holds true for Chanukah, even though it is a minor
  >   >   > holiday. It
  >   >   >     > makes
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >sense. How could we market a major holiday such as Yom
  Kippur?
  >   >   > Forget
  >   >   >     > about
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >celebrating. Think observing. Come to synagogue, starve
  >   >   > yourself for
  >   >   >     > 27
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >hours, become one with your dehydrated soul, beat your
  chest,
  >   >   > confess
  >   >   >     > your
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >sins, a guaranteed good time for you and your family.
  >   > Tickets a
  >   >   > mere
  >   >   >     > $200
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >per person.
  >   >   >
  >   >   >     > >
  >   >   >
  >   >
  >
  >
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