larry
At 04:50 AM 12/22/2003, you wrote:
>Certainly, but the fans though...
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry C. Lyons
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Return of the King - SPOILER -
>
> Elfquest of course. Evercrack is different.
>
> larry
>
> At 09:30 PM 12/21/2003, you wrote:
> >Did you mean EverQuest or ElfQuest fans?
> >
> >...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry C. Lyons
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:45 AM
> > Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> >
> > Glad I'm not the only one with that impression. Some of the EQ fans
> > I've met at various conventions were worse than the Klingon types you
> > see at SF conventions. I remember one girl who gushed about arranging
> > to have plastic surgery on her ears. That I simply don't understand.
> > I rather freaked a few of them out when I hauled out all the first
> > series to be signed.
> >
> > larry
> >
> > >I've met the Pini's several times (I lived in upstate NY and they
> live, or
> > >at least lived then, in Poughkeepsie so they went to all the local
> shows).
> > >
> > >
> > >Very nice people - but some weird ass fans. People consider
> trekkies or
> > >Star Wars fans odd, but at least they're recognized. "ElfQuest"
> fans just
> > >as rabid but not nearly predictable. ;^)
> > >
> > >
> > >I was waiting in line to speak with them. I had the two "Beauty
> and the
> > >Beast" graphic novels they did for First Publishing with me to be
> > signed (so
> > >kill me, I loved that show). The guy ahead of me had literally EVERY
> > SINGLE
> > >collected ElfQuest book - a stack nearly two feet tall - and was
> > wearing Elf
> > >ears. He told me that "every time I drive by Poughkeepsie I say,
> 'There's
> > >Elfland!'"
> > >
> > >
> > >I saw Richard later walking and mentioned to him "you have some really
> > >intense fans". His answer was "Yeah, we love'em but sometimes I'm
> glad we
> > >have a table between us."
> > >
> > >
> > >Some of those upstate shows were great - just a high-school gym or
> > >auditorium, but SO MANY great people lived in that area. Jim
> Shooter,
> > Berni
> > >Wrightson, the Pinis, and lots of others that I can't remember. The
> > Hudson
> > >Valley was a gold mine for comic pros.
> > >
> > >
> > >Jim Davis
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:58 PM
> > >To: CF-Community
> > >Subject: RE: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> > >
> > >
> > >Given that he filmed it first then animated on top of it, its no
> > >wonder it was an expensive effort. I also preferred elements of the
> > >Bakshi LOTR. However Bakshi does not have a good reputation among
> > >artists and writers. Ralph Pini one of the people who did the comic
> > >series ElfQuest, has stated that he would not work with him if Bakshi
> > >was the last animator on earth.
> > >
> > >larry
> > >
> > >>I actually appreciated many of the staging and scripting elements
> of the
> > >>Bakshi version as well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>For example the scene with Galadriel's mirror was much more as I had
> > >>envisioned: she was lighthearted, always in control and genuinely
> pleased
> > >>when Frodo asked her if she'd like the ring. She was never seriously
> > >>tempted. The scene was serious in subject but light in tone: I
> felt it
> > >>(rightly) gave Frodo just a hint of respite and levity. In the
> Jackson
> > >>version the scene was hard, taut and dramatic. She WAS very
> seriously
> > >>tempted.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Also while I didn't care so much for the design for the Balrog the
> > fall of
> > >>Gandalf was more tense in the Bakshi version. Gandalf was pulled
> over
> > >while
> > >>Boromir dove to save him missing him by inches. In the Jackson
> version
> > >>there was never really any scale set - Gandalf hung there for
> quite a
> > while
> > >>and we're left wondering why somebody didn't try to run and pull
> him back
> > >>up.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>They did play a little simpler in the Bakshi version, but they
> gave him
> > >more
> > >>depth as well. His desire to see elves was more clear as was his
> > love for
> > >>Bill the pony.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Overall I greatlyprefer the Jackson version (the Bakshi version
> was more
> > >>experiment than anything else) but I think he often adds
> melodrama where
> > >>it's not needed and special effects where the actors skill should be
> > enough
> > >>(namely when Bilbo accuses Gandalf of trying to keep the ring
> himself,
> > >where
> > >>Bilbo attempts to snatch the ring from Frodo and where Galadriel s
> > >tempted).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>But still, I wish Bakshi had been able to do the second installment
> > of his
> > >>version.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Jim Davis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _____
> > >>
> > >>From: William H Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:55 PM
> > >>To: CF-Community
> > >>Subject: Re: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>The rotoscoping was better in Wizards, too.
> > >>
> > >>will
> > >>
> > >>Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> > > >
> > >>> I have the movies on DVD, the Rankin and Bass The Hobbit and
> Return
> > >>> of the King, and Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings. The Rankin and
> > >>> Bass stuff are garbage, the Bakshi film was an interesting
> > >>> experiment. The rotoscopy technique he used was much better
> developed
> > >>> in film Fire and Ice he did with Frank Frazetta.
> > >>>
> > >>> larry
> > >>>
> > >>> >I have an even vaguer memory of the animated movies. :-)
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I think I'm going to have to read the books again.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >At 04:05 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
> > >>> >>Subject: Return of the King - SPOILER -
> > >>> >>From: "Kevin Graeme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> >>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:40:01 -0600
> > >>> >>Thread:
> > >>>
> >
> >
> >>>>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=
> > >1
> > >>0892&forumid=5#99456
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>Much of your memories, like Shelob talking and the Frodo of
> the Nine
> > >>> Fingers
> > >>> >>song comes from the animated movies.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>I do miss the orcs singing "Where there's a whip there's a
> way." One
> > >>> of my
> > >>> >>favorite songs as a young'un.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>-Kevin
> > >>> >
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