Dana
>I don't care who runs it - I just said it should be FREELY available. I
>also said that it would put a huge strain on the govt to privatize them
>all... that's because of the cost of offering anyone a quality privatized
>education...which leads one to deduce that quality public schools is the
>most realistic solution.
>
>~Simon
>
>Simon Horwith
>CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>Member of Team Macromedia
>Macromedia Certified Instructor
>Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>Certified Flash MX Developer
>CFDJList - List Administrator
>http://www.how2cf.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 07 January 2004 17:26
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:More Breaking News
>
>
> Quality education should be available, but not run by government, imho.
>Charter schools are a step in the right direction.
>
> Dana
>
> >Quality education should be freely available to everyone - regardless of
> >socio-economic, ethnic, or other conditions. Do you really think that
> >privatizing all schools would result in a larger percentage of the
>poplation
> >receiving a better education? That's interesting. I'd think it makes
>more
> >sense to raise the quality of public schools. People who can afford good
> >schools will go to them regardless of whether there are public schools.
> >I've always felt that without putting a huge strain on the govt., having
> >nothing but privatized schools would result in a wider gap between the
>well
> >educated and the poorly educated. Am I mistaken?
> >
> >~Simon
> >
> >Simon Horwith
> >CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
> >Member of Team Macromedia
> >Macromedia Certified Instructor
> >Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> >Certified Flash MX Developer
> >CFDJList - List Administrator
> >http://www.how2cf.com/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 07 January 2004 15:21
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> >
> > I'm a contractor. I took a tech position at fair market value. I do
>not
> > work FOR the government.
> >
> >
>
> > That being said, the department of state is the oldest department in
>the
> > executive branch and almost the only one mentioned in the constitution.
> > International affairs dictate the need for an organization that
>provides
> >for
> > communication, direct and indirect, with foreign countries.
>Additionally
> >I
> > provide security and intelligence analysis for U.S. Citizens operating
> > abroad. Diplomatic Security is also the responsible law enforcement
> > organization for visa and passport fraud (some of this has been eaten
>up
> >by
> > DHS). The department of State is not the defense department or the CIA
>or
> > the FBI. We are here for a constitutionally mandated reason.
> >
> >
> > Also don't get me wrong, I didn't say I am against all taxes. I know
>we
> > need taxes for defense and law enforcement. Now roads, education and
>other
> > services should all be handled at a state level, or as in the case of
>the
> > postal service, privately. In many cases I think we should move much
>more
> > aggressively towards toll roads supported by those that actually use
>them,
> > education that PARENTS want for their children, and by lowering the tax
> > burden n parents I can assure you that parents are not going to choose
>the
> > garbage schools that we have now. Why not privatize all schools?
> >
> >
> > While I know that government research, mainly defense based, is in
>large
>
> > part responsible for great technological advances, this is not
>necessarily
> > always the case. Xerox, IBM and Microsoft, all private companies, had
>a
> >lot
> > to do with getting us where we are today. A few generations ago it
>would
> > have been Ford, GM and Dodge. Before that the railroads. Private
> >industry
> > is and always will be where the greatest and most powerful innovation
> >comes
> > from.
> >
> >
> > Just so you know, I have my own ethical questions about where I work
>and
> > what I do. I am a sellout, and I know it. I have kids, and I do what
>I
> > need to do to give them the best life they can have. I didn't need a
> >knife,
> > a gun or a stick to do it. I did it with my mind. I have worked in
>the
> > private sector, actually starting to make something of a name for
>myself
> > before deciding to go the "professional" route.
> >
> >
> > Matt were you in a socialist position in the marines? No. It was a
> >service
> > position. It's different and you know it is.
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Heald
> > Web Portfolio Manager
> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > U.S. Department of State
> > 571.345.2319
> >
> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
>U.S.
> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have these
> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
> >is
> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:05 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: More Breaking News
> >
> > Whoa, now Tim. You work for the US Government - that's a job provided
>for
> > society's benefit, making that a socialist position. Why should I pay
>for
> > your job?
> >
> > The whole point is that we make some sacrifices in order to acheive a
> >safer,
> > healthier society. Without taxes, we would have no roads, no public
> > education, no postal service. Don't think that the private sector
>would
> > take over these things, because people just don't care that much about
> >each
> > other on a personal basis to make society better without a huge
>personal
> > benefit.
> >
> > WIthout supporting the public, you and I would not be sitting here in
>forn
> > of computers typing our views - we'd both be living in 1850.
> >
> > - Matt Small
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Heald, Tim
> > To: CF-Community
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 AM
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> > Yeah god forbid we expect people to work harder. To study on their
>own
> > time
> > to better themselves.
> >
> > People rise to the level of their abilities. Why is it my burden to
> > support
> > them in a manner better than they can provide for themselves?
> >
> > --
> > Timothy Heald
> > Web Portfolio Manager
> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > U.S. Department of State
> > 571.345.2319
> >
> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
>U.S.
> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>these
> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
> > is
> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: More Breaking News
> >
> > Exactly. The overall cost to the country of an even poorer poor is
>worse
> > than the minor burden of an artificially manipulated standard of
>living.
> >
> > Besides increases in unemployment, theft, and violent crime, there is
> >also
> > an associated decrease in access to base medical care which leads to
> >more
> > sickness and the spread of communicable diseases. With a shortened
>life
> > expectancy, people tend to try and have more children in order for
>their
> > family to survive which puts an even greater burden on the country.
> >
> > And besides, if people aren't making as much money who's going to buy
> >all
> > the SUVs and HDTVs?
> >
> > -Kevin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM
> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> >
> > > but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a standard
>of
> > living
> > > that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to guarantee
> > certain
> > > basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends not to
> > keep-up
> > > with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation rate
>is
> > the
> > > price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance at a
> > decent
> > > life, so be it.
> > >
> > > ~Simon
> > >
> > > Simon Horwith
> > > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
> > > Member of Team Macromedia
> > > Macromedia Certified Instructor
> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> > > Certified Flash MX Developer
> > > CFDJList - List Administrator
> > > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> > >
> > >
> > > I think two main things have led us through inflation and rising
> > costs.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Minimum wage.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why in a free market economy should the government dictate what
>one
> > side
> > > of
> > > an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to work for
> >next
> > to
> > > nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a place
> >where
> > we
> > > can compete in a world economy as not just a service provider,
>but
> >an
> > > industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As long as
> >law
> > > requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do so.
> > >
> > >
> > > The only other answer would be to severely penalize countries and
> > > companies
> > > that don't meet the same requirements that we impose internally.
> > >
> > >
> > > We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other nations
> >against
> > our
> > > goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford their
> > > employees
> > > the same minimum standing of living, add even more for nations
>that
> > don't
> > > have basic human rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I think
>it
> > would
> > > be
> > > worth it in the long run.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Timothy Heald
> > > Web Portfolio Manager
> > > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > > U.S. Department of State
> > > 571.345.2319
> > >
> > > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
>the
> > U.S.
> > > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
> >these
> > > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
> > > is
> > > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> > >
> > > Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
> > >
> > > I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing
>minimum
> > wage
> > go
> > > away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go away.
>The
> > goal
> > > shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire
>Americans
> > for
> > > as
> > > cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of the
> >labor
> > to
> > > the
> > > extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way
>there'd
> >be
> > no
> > > benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal one
> > (they'd
> > > cost
> > > the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the
>workforce -
> > > especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this would
>most
> > likely
> > > result in even more work being outsourced to countries like
>India...
> > any
> > > work that can be, anyway.
> > >
> > > ~Simon
> > >
> > > Simon Horwith
> > > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
> > > Member of Team Macromedia
> > > Macromedia Certified Instructor
> > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> > > Certified Flash MX Developer
> > > CFDJList - List Administrator
> > > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> > <http://www.how2cf.com/>
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
> > >
> > > >We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States
>right
> > now,"
> > > said
> > > US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
> > >
> > > >"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
> > >
> > > Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn again.
> >:)
> > >
> > > Immigration is probably where I am furthest from libertarian.
>At
> > this
> > > point
> > > I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see work-fare
> > programs
> > > that
> > > get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no skill
> >jobs.
> > > Really
> > > if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so that
> >these
> > > companies that hire illegals because they can't afford
>Americans,
> > can
> > > again,
> > > it would be good for us all.
> > >
> > > Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal immigration, as
> > people
> > > will
> > > see the "success stories" of people who got legal recognition.
> >Plus
> > the
> > > way
> > > many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
> > non-citizens,
> > > then
> > > become eligible for social programs, like welfare and medical
> > benefits?
> > >
> > > Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Timothy Heald
> > > Web Portfolio Manager
> > > Overseas Security Advisory Council
> > > U.S. Department of State
> > > 571.345.2319
> > >
> > > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
> >the
> > U.S.
> > > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor
>have
> > these
> > > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
>This
> > > is
> > > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: More Breaking News
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Erika
> > > _____
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > _____
> > _____
> >
>
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