Note that I *did* say usually. I have seen a few teachers who really made me feel humble.
Dana
>Nah private schools and charter school are still able to discriminate.
>And there is no place for discrimination in education.
>I know it exists in public schools to an extent too. Being jaded by past
>experiences with bad public schools doesn't mean the public education
>system is bad all together.
>
>
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 12:26 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re:More Breaking News
>
>
>Quality education should be available, but not run by government, imho.
>Charter schools are a step in the right direction.
>
>Dana
>
>>Quality education should be freely available to everyone - regardless
>of
>>socio-economic, ethnic, or other conditions. Do you really think that
>>privatizing all schools would result in a larger percentage of the
>poplation
>>receiving a better education? That's interesting. I'd think it makes
>more
>>sense to raise the quality of public schools. People who can afford
>good
>>schools will go to them regardless of whether there are public schools.
>>I've always felt that without putting a huge strain on the govt.,
>having
>>nothing but privatized schools would result in a wider gap between the
>well
>>educated and the poorly educated. Am I mistaken?
>>
>>~Simon
>>
>>Simon Horwith
>>CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>>Member of Team Macromedia
>>Macromedia Certified Instructor
>>Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>>Certified Flash MX Developer
>>CFDJList - List Administrator
>>http://www.how2cf.com/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 07 January 2004 15:21
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>>
>>
>> I'm a contractor. I took a tech position at fair market value. I do
>not
>> work FOR the government.
>>
>>
>> That being said, the department of state is the oldest department in
>the
>> executive branch and almost the only one mentioned in the
>constitution.
>> International affairs dictate the need for an organization that
>provides
>>for
>> communication, direct and indirect, with foreign countries.
>Additionally
>>I
>> provide security and intelligence analysis for U.S. Citizens
>operating
>> abroad. Diplomatic Security is also the responsible law enforcement
>> organization for visa and passport fraud (some of this has been eaten
>up
>>by
>> DHS). The department of State is not the defense department or the
>CIA or
>> the FBI. We are here for a constitutionally mandated reason.
>>
>>
>> Also don't get me wrong, I didn't say I am against all taxes. I know
>we
>> need taxes for defense and law enforcement. Now roads, education and
>other
>> services should all be handled at a state level, or as in the case of
>the
>> postal service, privately. In many cases I think we should move much
>more
>> aggressively towards toll roads supported by those that actually use
>them,
>> education that PARENTS want for their children, and by lowering the
>tax
>> burden n parents I can assure you that parents are not going to
>choose the
>> garbage schools that we have now. Why not privatize all schools?
>>
>>
>> While I know that government research, mainly defense based, is in
>large
>> part responsible for great technological advances, this is not
>necessarily
>> always the case. Xerox, IBM and Microsoft, all private companies,
>had a
>>lot
>> to do with getting us where we are today. A few generations ago it
>would
>> have been Ford, GM and Dodge. Before that the railroads. Private
>>industry
>> is and always will be where the greatest and most powerful innovation
>>comes
>> from.
>>
>>
>> Just so you know, I have my own ethical questions about where I work
>and
>> what I do. I am a sellout, and I know it. I have kids, and I do
>what I
>> need to do to give them the best life they can have. I didn't need a
>>knife,
>> a gun or a stick to do it. I did it with my mind. I have worked in
>the
>> private sector, actually starting to make something of a name for
>myself
>> before deciding to go the "professional" route.
>>
>>
>> Matt were you in a socialist position in the marines? No. It was a
>>service
>> position. It's different and you know it is.
>>
>> --
>> Timothy Heald
>> Web Portfolio Manager
>> Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> U.S. Department of State
>> 571.345.2319
>>
>> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
>U.S.
>> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>these
>> opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
>>is
>> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:05 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>>
>> Whoa, now Tim. You work for the US Government - that's a job
>provided for
>> society's benefit, making that a socialist position. Why should I
>pay for
>> your job?
>>
>> The whole point is that we make some sacrifices in order to acheive a
>>safer,
>> healthier society. Without taxes, we would have no roads, no public
>> education, no postal service. Don't think that the private sector
>would
>> take over these things, because people just don't care that much
>about
>>each
>> other on a personal basis to make society better without a huge
>personal
>> benefit.
>>
>> WIthout supporting the public, you and I would not be sitting here in
>forn
>> of computers typing our views - we'd both be living in 1850.
>>
>> - Matt Small
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Heald, Tim
>> To: CF-Community
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:44 AM
>> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>>
>> Yeah god forbid we expect people to work harder. To study on their
>own
>> time
>> to better themselves.
>>
>> People rise to the level of their abilities. Why is it my burden
>to
>> support
>> them in a manner better than they can provide for themselves?
>>
>> --
>> Timothy Heald
>> Web Portfolio Manager
>> Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> U.S. Department of State
>> 571.345.2319
>>
>> The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the
>U.S.
>> Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor have
>these
>> opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This
>> is
>> unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:42 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: More Breaking News
>>
>> Exactly. The overall cost to the country of an even poorer poor is
>worse
>> than the minor burden of an artificially manipulated standard of
>living.
>>
>> Besides increases in unemployment, theft, and violent crime, there
>is
>>also
>> an associated decrease in access to base medical care which leads
>to
>>more
>> sickness and the spread of communicable diseases. With a shortened
>life
>> expectancy, people tend to try and have more children in order for
>their
>> family to survive which puts an even greater burden on the country.
>>
>> And besides, if people aren't making as much money who's going to
>buy
>>all
>> the SUVs and HDTVs?
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Simon Horwith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>>
>> > but the idea behind Minimum wage is that it guarantees a standard
>of
>> living
>> > that, though still at or near poverty level, does help to
>guarantee
>> certain
>> > basic living standards. Even then, the minimum wage tends not
>to
>> keep-up
>> > with the rise in inflation. That said, if a higher inflation
>rate is
>> the
>> > price we must pay in order to guarantee legal workers a chance at
>a
>> decent
>> > life, so be it.
>> >
>> > ~Simon
>> >
>> > Simon Horwith
>> > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>> > Member of Team Macromedia
>> > Macromedia Certified Instructor
>> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>> > Certified Flash MX Developer
>> > CFDJList - List Administrator
>> > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: 07 January 2004 14:02
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> >
>> > I think two main things have led us through inflation and
>rising
>> costs.
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. Coming off of the gold standard, thanx Nixon.
>> >
>> >
>> > 2. Minimum wage.
>> >
>> >
>> > Why in a free market economy should the government dictate what
>one
>> side
>> > of
>> > an open trade should receive? If a person is willing to work
>for
>>next
>> to
>> > nothing, should they not be able to? Also, to return to a
>place
>>where
>> we
>> > can compete in a world economy as not just a service provider,
>but
>>an
>> > industrial base, we need low pay low skill employees. As long
>as
>>law
>> > requires us to meet and exceed basic standards we cannot do so.
>> >
>> >
>> > The only other answer would be to severely penalize countries
>and
>> > companies
>> > that don't meet the same requirements that we impose
>internally.
>> >
>> >
>> > We start by exactly matching tariffs imposed by other nations
>>against
>> our
>> > goods. Add additional tariffs to nations that don't afford
>their
>> > employees
>> > the same minimum standing of living, add even more for nations
>that
>> don't
>> > have basic human rights.
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be painful, maybe even start a war or two, but I think
>it
>> would
>> > be
>> > worth it in the long run.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Timothy Heald
>> > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > U.S. Department of State
>> > 571.345.2319
>> >
>> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of
>the
>> U.S.
>> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor
>have
>>these
>> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
>This
>> > is
>> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:58 AM
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > Hey - I like cutting my own lawn.
>> >
>> > I'm no economist, bu i wouldn't hold your breath on seeing
>minimum
>> wage
>> go
>> > away. Quite honestly, as far as I know it shouldn't go away.
>The
>> goal
>> > shouldn't be to do away with it so that companies can hire
>Americans
>> for
>> > as
>> > cheap as they can get illegal labor, but to legalize all of the
>>labor
>> to
>> > the
>> > extent that it all falls under minimum wage law. That way
>there'd
>>be
>> no
>> > benefit to hiring an illegal labourer as opposed to a legal one
>> (they'd
>> > cost
>> > the same). Without minimum wage, what would protect the
>workforce -
>> > especially unskilled and manual labour? Of course, this would
>most
>> likely
>> > result in even more work being outsourced to countries like
>India...
>> any
>> > work that can be, anyway.
>> >
>> > ~Simon
>> >
>> > Simon Horwith
>> > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd.
>> > Member of Team Macromedia
>> > Macromedia Certified Instructor
>> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>> > Certified Flash MX Developer
>> > CFDJList - List Administrator
>> > http://www.how2cf.com/ <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> <http://www.how2cf.com/>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: 07 January 2004 13:36
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: RE: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > >We have 10.5 million illegal workers in the United States
>right
>> now,"
>> > said
>> > US Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue.
>> >
>> > >"If they went home, we'd have to shut down the country."
>> >
>> > Hehe, or we'd just have to learn how to cut our own lawn
>again.
>>:)
>> >
>> > Immigration is probably where I am furthest from libertarian.
>At
>> this
>> > point
>> > I am almost isolationist. I would much rather see work-fare
>> programs
>> > that
>> > get people off the rolls of welfare and into low and no skill
>>jobs.
>> > Really
>> > if we could do away with the minimum wage and make it so that
>>these
>> > companies that hire illegals because they can't afford
>Americans,
>> can
>> > again,
>> > it would be good for us all.
>> >
>> > Also isn't this going to encourage MORE illegal immigration,
>as
>> people
>> > will
>> > see the "success stories" of people who got legal
>recognition.
>>Plus
>> the
>> > way
>> > many state governments are set up, don't immigrants, even
>> non-citizens,
>> > then
>> > become eligible for social programs, like welfare and medical
>> benefits?
>> >
>> > Yeah I can't see how any of this is a good idea.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Timothy Heald
>> > Web Portfolio Manager
>> > Overseas Security Advisory Council
>> > U.S. Department of State
>> > 571.345.2319
>> >
>> > The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those
>of
>>the
>> U.S.
>> > Department of State or any affiliated organization(s). Nor
>have
>> these
>> > opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations.
>This
>> > is
>> > unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:27 AM
>> > To: CF-Community
>> > Subject: More Breaking News
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm
>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm>
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Erika
>> > _____
>> > _____
>> >
>> >
>> _____
>> _____
>>
> _____
>
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