Exactly. What I was saying is that if you diet without exercise you may have
some problems with body shape.


Also it all relates to math, that is basically all the human body is, that
goes for everyone no matter what disorders they have. Those disorders just
affect the calculations.


In general it works like this:


Your body at rest burns X number of calories. X for a healthy person is
generally around 120 cal/hr. Disorders will change this value so you will
have to check with your doctor. Don't worry about BMI and such in general
because it is just that, a generalization. The calories are as well but are
more accurate. Your metabolism plays into your calories burned per hour as
well.


About 3,500 calories adds up to about 1 pound. This applies whether they are
food calories coming in, or calories (burned by exercise) going out.


If you eat 3,500 calories more than your body needs, you will put on about 1
pound. If you use up 3,500 calories more than you eat, you will lose about 1
pound in weight. This is a simple fact of science. It doesn't matter what
conditions you have calories are calories no matter what and when you get
3,500 of them you will gain 1 pound of weight.


Now...take to see what you need to sustain your current body weight simply
multiply (females use 9-10, males use 11-12) * your current body weight.


In my case it is 12*182= 2,184


That is the number of calories my body needs in intake to sustain this
weight. As soon as I start exceeding this number and do so by 3,500 calories
I will gain 1 pound of fat. It doesn't matter how many carbs, fat (sat or
unsat) are in the items. It all boils down to calories.


Now generally I run about 8 miles a day in 53:00. This is where it gets
tricky. Calculating exercise calories burned is a very individual thing.
Treadmills and machine can make an estimated guess but that is all they are,
a guess. There are some general guidelines though I can send you if you want
charts. Regardless I burn about 1100 calories in 53:00.


So throughout the day I simply add up my calories. Lets say I have skim milk
and Special K for breakfast with a piece of toast. That is about 300
calories. For lunch I decide to go to Subway and get a 6" club combo with
WOW chips (no cheese or mayo) and that comes to around 400 calories. Then
for dinner I eat chicken (8oz) with wild rice (or potatoes) and some green
beans (no oil or butter) and some bread (2 slices). That is about 800-900
calories.


So for the day I wound up taking in 1500-1600 calories. Well I exercised for
110 so my body only has around 400 for the day. That means I can take
2184-400=1800 so if I do that for 2 days I would burn 1 pound.


Now....notice that my meals are diet. So exercise should always be done in
conjunction with diet. Also note that every body is different. Some people
have slower metabolisms and don't burn as many calories or they have other
internal problems that cause their body to store more than they are supposed
to. But on average this works for the majority of people.


The reason I know all of this is that my wife is part of a group of Dr's
that work on some diet called HMR. It's for extremely obese people and she
knows like 1 trillion times more about this than I ever will. But regardless
you are correct you will need to diet but either way if your calories
exceeed what you body needs to sustain itself you will gain (or via versa).





Stephen E. Schuster
PeopleSoft Administrator
2000 Ashland Drive
Ashland, KY 41101

Office Phone 606.920.7447
Cell Phone 606.831.4590

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From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:59 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Atkins


Steven
I can do cardio until the cows come home and not lose a pound.  for some of
us, its more than exercise.  I need to diet and LIFT.  Cardio isn't as
important as lifting.

Its counterintuitive, I know, and I can't explain it myself, but its the way
it is.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Schuster, Steven
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:20 AM
  Subject: RE: Atkins

  All of this advice sounds good if you like the idea of Atkins. Personally
I
  don't but do what works for your body. You'll find out in about 2 weeks or
  so.
  Whatever you do you need to exercise. Exercise, Exercise, Exercise. I
never
  have tried Atkins but I sure would not like to limit what I can eat if I
  could simply change how I ate.

  As you loose weight your body shape will change in all kinds of ways.
  Without exercise you could wind up with stretch marks and excess skin if
you
  plan on loosing more than say 70lbs. Also be sure you exercise for at
least
  30 minutes at a time. All this 6 minute ab crap you see on TV is
advertised
  by people that probably spend 2-3 hours a day in a gym.

  Find an exercise that works for you. Personally I run. Also, you need to
  only eat 3 times a day with a small snack. Train yourself to not hold off
  and eat 1 big meal a day. I tried that! Not good for the body. You may
also
  want to get a multi-vitamin as well to ensure you get all the nutrients
you
  may be missing because of the diet. One thing you can do at first is to
get
  a plate of food and only eat � of it leaving some behind. It just helps
  train your mind to not eat everything you see.

  Snacks Kill! Avoid the urge....oh how I miss Oreo cookie binges. I usually
  do the 94% fat free popcorn and eat � bag as a late snack. If it comes in
a
  bag (pre-processed) then skip it if you can.

  Everything you need to survive properly basically grows in the ground. We
  were not born with the ability to cook in fat and make butter and milk
  (though by now it may be in our genetic code). Fruits, veggies, beans,
  potatoes are all required for a healthy body. Veggies are most important
of
  all. Go figure how every few years they find that this veggie or that
  reduces chances of all kinds of crud. Basically if it is dropped in a vat
of
  oil or grease avoid it. If you are going for oils then go with light
oils...

  Get a routine and stick to it. It's easy to loose a few pounds but unless
  you change your habits you'll gain it back.

  Stephen E. Schuster
  PeopleSoft Administrator
  2000 Ashland Drive
  Ashland, KY 41101

  Office Phone 606.920.7447
  Cell Phone 606.831.4590

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  From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:04 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Atkins

  Just make sure you have enough carbs so that you're body doesn't have
  any ill long term sideeffects.

  --
  Bill Wheatley
  Senior Database Developer
  eDiets.com, Inc.
  (OTCBB: EDET)
  3801 W. Hillsboro Blvd.
  Deerfield Beach, FL  33442
  V: (954) 360-9022 ext. 159
  F: (954) 360-9095
  E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  W:  <http://www.ediets.com/> www.ediets.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:59 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: Atkins

  I disagree about it being unhealthy.  Done correctly over time, it can
  be a
  very healthy way of eating.

  Typical daily diet (remember i've been on it for about 3 years now).

  Morning
      Cup of Tea and Vitamins
      Fruit Shake or Eggs and Bacon or Low Carb hot Cereal. (sometimes low
  carb pancakes, but rarely)

  Lunch
      Low Carb Pasta and Tuna or Chef Salad or Tuna Salad
     
  Snacks
      Low carb crackers and cheese
      Nuts
      Low Carb Bar

  Dinner
      Meat/Fish/Chicken
      Vegetable
      Salad

  Dessert
      Sugar Free Jello or Low Carb Cheesecake or Low Carb Ice Cream.

  I tend to drink 1 to 11/2 liters of water  a day.  I have some grains,
  but
  they are mostly soy and flax.  
      

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  From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:49 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: Re:Atkins

  My cardiac rehab program said there's no need to do something this
  drastic
  or possibly harmful. Told me to cut down on simple carbs ("white" flour,
  potatos, etc.), substitute whole grains. Have been getting neat stuff
  from
  Trader Joe's like whole grain breads and pita, blueberry bran muffins,
  whole
  wheat pasta, Optimum cereal with whole wheat, soy, and flax,etc.
  Feel good, losing weight (with moderate exercise), keeps the lower tummy
  working properly, good for cholesterol. Have discovered sweet potatoes -
  yummy baked sweet potatoe "fries".

  -Ben

  >The diet works, but I haven't heard a nutritionist or normal doctor yet
  that
  >says it's healthy.
  >
  >I recommend you check your ketone levels while on the program and read
  about
  >the implications.
  >
  >-Kevin
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: "Adam Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:22 AM
  >Subject: Atkins
  >
  >
  >> Anybody tried this diet.
  >>
  >> Starting weight 274lbs.
  >>
  >> I'm on day 2 and feeling weak (apparently this passes). Plus it takes
  you
  >> off caffeine, so have got a caffeine headache.
  >>
  >> I'm also trying to eat healthily. I know they say you can eat as much
  >bacon
  >> as you physically can get down your throat, but that can't be good.
  Can
  >it?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Adam
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
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