Read Cicero or Seneca - two great Roman Orators/Politicians/Philosophers.
They raise exactly the same points. Nothing much has changed period.

larry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Are people just getting stupider?
>
>
> This reminds me of the paper I proofed for my daughter last
> night on the main
> characters in Crime & Punishments.   Basically, the author
> was making fun of
> people who joined causes because it seemed like the cool
> thing to do or to pursue personal ambitions.  Neither really
> had a clue about what they were supporting, just a few catch phrases.
>
> Looks like not much has changed since 1850's.
>
> Andy
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:24 AM
>   To: CF-Community
>   Subject: Are people just getting stupider?
>
>
>   Anti-Israel Protestor: "I'm not really excited about
> Israel.  I don't like
>   it."
>   Interviewer:  "Why not? I mean, how much do you know about it?"
>   Anti-Israel Protestor: "Israel is really, uh, racist, and
> um, I don't know
>   exactly..."
>
>   "The above is an excerpt from an exchange outside the
> International Court of
>   Justice (ICJ) in The Hague this week, broadcast on Israel's
> Channel Two
>   Television News.  "
>
>
>
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