which all too frequently it may not meet, but it always tries.
I just dislike the hypocrisy when people blame the US for whatever, when it
may not have been all that exceptional, or that the countries that are doing
the blame are worse practitioners.
larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heald, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:11 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Nice people....
>
>
> Wow,
>
> A surprise defender.
>
> Good points, Larry.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyons, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:58 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Nice people....
>
>
> Remember Gel none of us are exactly innocent. Look at the
> brutal suppression of the natives of the various islands by
> the colonial and post colonial powers. For instance weren't
> the Carib people wiped out by the Spanish and British and
> their settlers in the 16th and 17th centuries?
>
> Similarly there have been similar incidents in Mexico and in
> South America with the native rulers. Didn't the Incas and
> Aztecs slaughter thousands of prisoners and slaves in single
> day long events? The Iroquois wiped out the Hurons in
> southern Canada, and throughout the history of North America
> there have been plenty of incidents of cannibalism, genocide,
> torture and what we now call ethnic cleansing by various
> native tribes on others.
>
> Wasn't it Tamerlane that beheaded every inhabitant of Baghdad
> in the 13th century and created a pyramid of their heads? And
> that was just one of many massacres he committed.
>
> In other words while the US is guilty of many things, in its
> formation, its been far less brutal than many nations. At no
> point in its recent history has it followed an official
> policy of armed and active retribution like the Germans did
> in the two world wars.
>
> Lets keep some perspective here.
>
> larry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:41 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Nice people....
> >
> >
> > You'd swear similar riots, beatings, and heinous mob acts of
> > violence have never occurred in the history of the United States.
> >
> > As far as I remember, the United States had an extremely
> > violent, and bloody history, with Americans being guilty of
> > mass genocide and savage murders against unarmed women and
> > children. If you dispute that I can find several examples
> > during the civil war, and during the systematic destruction
> > of the indigenous people that lived in what is now known as
> > the United States.
> >
> > Blame your president for taking unilateral action against
> > Iraq under false pretenses, and having no plan for managing
> > and controlling the country afterward apart from the oilfields.
> >
> > But please don't imply that the Iraqis are worse than any
> > other country, including your own with regards to rioting, or
> > violence during its period of 'nation building'. And please
> > don't imply that after America attacked Iraq that it does not
> > have a responsibility to follow through on its promises and
> > support the country and engage in "Nation Building" as Powel
> > put it. Or was that all a bunch of sh**?
> >
> > Perhaps someone living on a little Caribbean island can look
> > on with utter shock and horror, and may even legitimately be
> > able to say our citizens never acted thus and reach a (in my
> > view false ) conclusion that the Iraqis in general are
> > subhuman and not worthy of any support or assistance.
> >
> > But America? Please. America certainly isn't a stranger to
> > such horrific acts on the way to its present equilibrium.
> >
> > Pick up a US history book. It is doubly different to attempt
> > to understand another society, if you don't even know where
> > your own came from.
> >
> > -Gel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Stanley
> >
> > you are correct...thanks for the info.
> >
> >
> > sure it is.
> >
> >
> > i guess that means that it wont happen again. and there wont
> > be dancing in the streets in the West Bank when the next 9-11
> > happens.
> >
> >
> > Oil may have been the primary motivation, and it also looked
> > like the people there were perfectly content to live the rest
> > of their lives in fear of him, why should we have taken them
> > away from that happiness?
> >
> > Remind me again why we even cared to free them from Sadam?
> >
> >
> http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19126_20040331.htm
> <http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19126_20040331.htm>
>
> I know it is generalizing, but i cant find in the article
> where it says that anyone tried to stop this. so to me it
> looks like the people of Iraq get off on desecrating corpses.
> hmmm, these are the same people who decry American anti-arab
> sentiment....I wonder freaking why that is?
>
> Does anyone have any information where mobs of americans have
> done this to anyone, ever?
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