Dana
> If you post an article or an essay slamming someone elses' religion,
> you should expect to be criticized for it. If you can't stand the
> heat, get out of the kitchen.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dana tierney
> To: CF-Community
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: ben
>
>
> mm well I dont want to reinflame the argument. I don't say I think
> Mike's reaction was the most tactful, or the most useful, just that I
> agree with it.
>
> I read that essay and thought oh christ, more of this stuff. Frankly,
> it is very offensive -- I was being polite before. I find it offensive
> when an ancient, complex and shaded belief system is portrayed as some
> cartoonish cult that worships statues. Yeah, that's us. Us and the
> cargo cults. We think everything is God, when we aren't buggering
> altar boys, that is. I don't want to belittle the pedophilia issue but
> to bring it up as an indictment of the entire belief system is akin to
> saying that the Baptist faith is obviously morally bankrupt, because
> George Bush belongs to it. It is a fallacy.
>
> Nor was the initial essay framed in terms of questions, as in, I have
> heard this... it was *telling* me that a faith the writer clearly does
> not understand is ignorant and sinful and a "falling away" from some
> truth that the writer's church claims to know. I don't want to go
> fishing in the text for examples -- really, reading it made me feel
> unclean -- but no, I would say hate speech is not too strong a word.
>
> I think the important thing though is that he was listening to Will,
> and so did not deserve the accusation of narrow-mindedness. He did not
> mean to be offensive and was willing to take another look at what he
> had posted.
>
> Dana
>
> > Tired of hearing it I can understand, but "Hate Speech"?
> >
> > I am not saying you don't have a right to feel that way, but I don't
>
> > see how the bullet points, in answer to a direct question by others
> on
> > the list, can be construed as hateful.
> >
> > At the very most, it may have been ignorant, but that deserves
> > education, not anger.
> >
> > IMHO, Will took the right approach and added to our collective
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/05/04 01:17PM >>>
> > I find the whole thing unfortunate. I actually agree with everything
>
> > Mike Haggerty said. I too get extremely tired of hearing that stuff
>
> > and even calling it hate language was not much of a reach. I suppose
>
> > that I should mention that I was raised as a very traditional
> Catholic
> > and still occasionally attend mass. Will Bowen did a pretty good job
>
> > of refuting the points.
> >
> > Ben appeared to be trying to hold a reasonable discussion and should
>
> > not have been slapped down for that I don't guess...
> >
> > Dana
> >
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