All, it's about time to take this discussion off the cf-jobs list and on
to a more general topics CF list.

Chris Cortes

-----Original Message-----
From: Beau Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:40 PM
To: CF-Jobs
Subject: RE: I agree


You people are freaking out over nothing.  Pete Ruckelshaus has already
explained himself.  He is the hiring manager.  The HR people are
conducting a search, but he doesn't want them to overlook any qualified
applicants that he may be able to find using resources (cf jobs mailing
list) that the HR dept. might not know about.  Initially he left out the
company information, but after one person replied to the list
complaining, he replied with the companies info to settle the list.

It's really not a big deal.  If you are looking for a job, send your
resume. If you're not looking for a job, don't send your resume.  Even
if your resume falls into the hands of a recruiter (like me), who cares.
It only betters your chances.

Thank you,
Beau J. Gould

--
www.nyc-search.com
www.kandidates.com




Doug,

Thanks for speaking up.  I agree with you too.  I am looking for a job,
I appear to be well qualified (based on their description), and it is in
my commuting distance, but I am not going to respond because of their
presentation.  Even if it is because they don't want to get "slammed"
(don't the applicants get slammed too?) there are ways  to limit it some
(I'm using hotmail, why can't you?).  For all we know, this posting
could be bogus and a recruiter himself.  And if not, I wouldn't want to
work for company that goes that route anyway.

Thanks again,
Susan


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Billy Cravens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Jobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: CF-Jobs-List V1 #136
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:05:19 -0500

I agree with you, though I know that some companies wish to remain
anonymous early in the process (obviously, they wouldn't follow through
and interview you without letting you know who they are!) for a number
of reasons, including protecting themselves from getting slammed by
recruiters.  Then again, I would hope that a company wishing to remain
anonymous would accept *anonymous* resumes :-)

---
Billy Cravens


-----Original Message-----
From: doug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:42 PM
To: CF-Jobs
Subject: Re: CF-Jobs-List V1 #136

Pete;
I mean no offense, but what is the reason that the company wishes to
remain anonymous?  Surely, if you wish to receive applications from
qualified individuals, they should have the right to know with whom they
are going to be associated with. I can understand the anonyminity if the
company does not wish current employees to know that they are looking
for new blood, but that is about the only reason I can think of.

I am not currently looking, but I do have contacts that are interested
in being advised of new openings.  I could not recommend them to take
the trouble of applying, if there is not an employer there to check out
in advance.

Remember, there are many CF developers who have had the carpet pulled
out from under them of late, and they realize that it is important to
consider the prospective employer just as importantly as the employer
will be considering the candidate.

Doug
http://www.clickdoug.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "CF-Jobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:28 PM
Subject: CF-Jobs-List V1 #136


CF-Jobs-List                   Thu, 25 Apr 2002          Volume 1 :
Number
136

In this issue:

         Advanced CF/Spectra position in SE Pennsylvania


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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:32:55 -0400
From: "Pete Ruckelshaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Advanced CF/Spectra position in SE Pennsylvania
Message-ID: <001101c1ebcf$378fe7a0$970810ac@wdevpruckels>

I'm posting this using my personal account so as to retain the anonymity
of my employer; I'm also doing this search here as the hiring manager
just to make sure HR doesn't miss any of the most qualified people when
they post this opening.

We are an established medium-sized company (about 1,000 people
worldwide)
located in Exton, PA and are looking for a full-time employee with very
strong Cold Fusion and Spectra skills. Our environment is Windows 2000
servers, Oracle 8i, Cold Fusion Enterprise 5.0, and Spectra 1.51

Required skills:
* CF Enterprise through 5.0
* Spectra through 1.51
* Very solid HTML skills; design skills a plus.
* Good JavaScript/DHTML skills
* CF/Flash integration a plus

The successful candidate will have very strong development and
troubleshooting skills, and will be a self-starter who is able to work
individually or in small groups.  Helping to determine project timelines
and requirements will be part of the job, as will training/mentoring
less experienced group members.  We have excellent benefits and pay
competitively.  No relocations/ contractors/ telecommuters.  Things can
get crazy from time to time, so if you're looking for a job that will
allow you to stare out the window for most of the day, this isn't it.

Please forward resume/cover letter/salary requirements in HTML, .pdf,
rtf, txt, or .doc format to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  3 personal
references would be helpful.

Thanks!

Pete





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