Hi.
You guys have done a lot of good work, and I don't want to slow things
down, but I would appreciate it if one of the proposers could explain
why the distance from the Sun is significant to this standard name, and
whether or not the word 'shortwave' is appropriate for the data quantity
they are describing.
Grace and peace,
Jim
On 5/13/15 5:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Odele, Judith, Peter et al,
Thank you for your two proposals which have now been added to the list of CF standard names under
discussion:
http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1?status=active&namefilter=&proposerfilter=Odele&descfilter=&unitfilter=&yearfilter=&filter+and+display=Filter.
TSI:
You proposed toa_total_solar_irradiance (Wm-2) defined as:
' The solar power per unit area integrated over all wavelengths that is
incident at the top of the Earth's atmosphere (TOA), at a standard distance of
one Astronomical Unit (1 AU) from the Sun, in units of Watts per square meter.'
I agree with John Graybeal's comment that the units should not form part of the standard
name definition, but rather should be listed as "canonical units" in the
standard name table. This is standard practice within CF.
Jonathan Gregory has pointed out that we do have the existing standard name
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux (W m-2) defined as:
' "shortwave" means shortwave radiation. "toa" means top of atmosphere. The TOA incoming shortwave flux is
the radiative flux from the sun i.e. the "downwelling" TOA shortwave flux. In accordance with common usage in
geophysical disciplines, "flux" implies per unit area, called "flux density" in physics.'
The definition of the existing name does not mention a standardized distance of
1AU between Earth and sun, and if this consideration is important then I think
you probably do need a separate name for what is essentially a theoretical
quantity.
In climate modelling the term "shortwave" is commonly used to mean solar radiation and indeed this is the convention used in many
existing CF standard names. (It is probably worth adding a sentence to the definition of all shortwave names to make that point clear). I
agree with Jonathan that there is no need to use the word "total" in the name itself because the quantity would be assumed to
represent all "shortwave" wavelengths unless otherwise specified. I also agree with Jonathan regarding the use of
"irradiance" as a term. Many existing longwave and shortwave standard names contain the following text in their definition: 'When
thought of as being incident on a surface, a radiative flux is sometimes called "irradiance",' but the term
"irradiance" does not actually appear in the names themselves.
Taking all these points into consideration, I suggest the following standard
name:
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux_assuming_circular_orbit (Wm-2) defined as:
' "shortwave" means shortwave radiation. "toa" means top of atmosphere. The quantity with standard name
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux_assuming_circular_orbit is the radiative flux from the sun, i.e. the downwelling TOA shortwave flux
assuming that the earth is in a circular orbit around the sun with radius 1 AU. A phrase assuming_condition indicates that the
named quantity is the value which would obtain if all aspects of the system were unaltered except for the assumption of the
circumstances specified by the condition. In accordance with common usage in geophysical disciplines, "flux" implies
per unit area, called "flux density" in physics. When thought of as being incident on a surface, a radiative flux is
sometimes called "irradiance".'
I appreciate that the name itself looks rather different from the original
proposal, but I think it is consistent with existing standard names and clearly
distinct from the quantity that does not specify earth-sun distance. I'd
welcome comments on this idea.
SSI:
You proposed toa_solar_spectral_irradiance (W m-2 m-1) defined as:
'The solar power per unit area per unit wavelength that is incident at the top
of the Earth's atmosphere, at a standard distance of one Astronomical Unit (1
AU) from the Sun, in units of Watts per square meter per nanometer (1 nm = 10
^-9 m).'
Again the canonical units should be separated out from the definition and they
should indeed be W m-2 m-1 in the standard name table. This would still allow
you to use W m-2 nm-1 in your data files because the UDunits software which CF
specifies for unit conversion would be able to convert easily between the two.
As Jonathan pointed out, we no longer use the word "spectral" in standard names but rather
"per_unit_wavelength" or "per_unit_wavenumber". (We could also add "per_unit_frequency"
if it is ever needed).
We do have another proposal for a similar standard name:
toa_solar_irradiance_per_unit_wavelength (W m-2 m-1), currently defined as:
' "toa" means top of atmosphere. "solar" indicates contributions from the sun.
Irradiance is the radiant power per unit area incident at a surface.'
(See
http://cfeditor.ceda.ac.uk/proposals/1?status=active&namefilter=solar&proposerfilter=Randy&descfilter=&unitfilter=&yearfilter=&filter+and+display=Filter)
but again this proposal makes no mention of a 1AU orbital radius, so I am not
sure that it is really the same quantity that you require.
Taking these points into account and again replacing "solar" with "shortwave"
we arrive at:
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux_per_unit_wavelength_assuming_circular_orbit (W m-2
m-1) defined as:
'"shortwave" means shortwave radiation. "toa" means top of atmosphere. The quantity with standard name
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux_per_unit_wavelength_assuming_circular_orbit is the radiative flux from the sun, i.e. the downwelling
TOA shortwave flux assuming that the earth is in a circular orbit around the sun with radius 1 AU. A coordinate variable for
radiation wavelength should be given the standard name radiation_wavelength and the bounds of this coordinate variable should be
used to specify the wavelength range(s) to which the data values apply. A phrase assuming_condition indicates that the named
quantity is the value which would obtain if all aspects of the system were unaltered except for the assumption of the
circumstances specified by the condition. In accordance with common usage in geophysical disciplines, "flux" implies
per unit area, called "flux density" in physics. When thought of as being incident on a surface, a radiative flux is
sometimes called "irradiance".'
Again, comments are welcome.
Best wishes,
Alison
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-----Original Message-----
From: CF-metadata [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Gregory
Sent: 06 May 2015 18:27
To: [email protected]
Cc: Odele Coddington; [email protected]; Peter Pilewskie
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name requests for TSI and SSI
Dear Odele et al.
Thanks for your proposals.
I'm not sure whether by TOA irradiance you mean the flux incident normal
to
the Earth's surface or parallel to the vector between Sun and Earth. If it is
the former, we already have a standard name for it viz
toa_incoming_shortwave_flux
If it is the latter, does it need "TOA"? In that case it's a quantity in
space, not really do with the Earth itself, just at the right distance.
We don't so far use the word irradiance in standard names (except in the
phrase spherical_irradiance).
I think that "total" should be omitted. It is the usual convention in
standard names that if there is no qualifier the quantity should be
understood
as inclusive. It could be restricted to a range of wavelengths by giving it
a coordinate variable for wavelength.
Finally, we don't use the word "spectral" in standard names. It was replaced
with per_unit_wavelength to be more explicit e.g.
surface_downwelling_radiative_flux_per_unit_wavelength_in_air
Cheers
Jonathan
We are proposing two new standard names for Total Solar Irradiance (TSI)
and Solar Spectral Irradiance (SSI) at the top of the atmosphere. Your
comments on these two proposals would be appreciated.
Regards,
Odele Coddington and Peter Pilewskie (CU-Boulder/LASP) and Judith Lean
(NRL)
standard name:
toa_total_solar_irradiance
definition:
The solar power per unit area integrated over all wavelengths that is
incident at the top of the Earth???s atmosphere (TOA), at a standard
distance
of one Astronomical Unit (1 AU) from the Sun, in units of Watts per square
meter.
canonical units:
W m-2
standard name:
toa_solar_spectral_irradiance
definition:
The solar power per unit area per unit wavelength that is incident at the
top of the Earth???s atmosphere, at a standard distance of one
Astronomical
Unit (1 AU) from the Sun, in units of Watts per square meter per
nanometer
(1 nm = 10 ^???9 m).
canonical units:
W m-2 m-1
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