Jonathon, Helen,

Thanks for the feedback.

I'd looked at the existing 'sea_surface_height' terms but had the same worry as 
Jonathon that the use of 'amplitude' restricted these to some (unspecified) 
time integral. What I'm after is definitely a variable that varies as a 
function of time. It's also unusual in the coastal forecasting community to 
want to split the various contributions to tide up.

The 'due_to_air_pressure_and_wind' term captures the primary meteorological 
processes that induce surge. However, these do not capture the effect of 
tide-surge interaction in shallower waters (for example the extra surge 
elevation enhances the speed at which the tide propagates so a 'surge residual' 
can include the propagation speed delta as well as the background 
super-elevation) nor other secondary variability that we often see in surge 
residuals, such as steric changes of the water column. So I feel that using a 
catchall term 'storm_surge', although less specific would have a lot less 
potential to mislead a user. The option exists, I assume, in the comments 
attribute for a variable to be more precise about its derivation/generating 
processes.

So overall, I couldn't find a goldilocks term for either surge or tide that 
would fit my users understanding of the variables - hence the new suggestions.

Have a good weekend
Andy



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From: CF-metadata [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Gregory
Sent: 11 April 2018 18:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge residual

Dear Helen and Andy

I noticed the sea_surface_height_amplitude_due_to_X_tide names as well, and I 
wondered, what does "amplitude" mean here? The definitions of these names don't 
say, and I feel that we should be clear. I guessed it might mean the amplitude 
of SSH due to the tidal cycle, whereas I think Andy means the actual tidal 
height as a function of time. Are you able to clarify?

It's a good point about due_to_air_pressure[_and_wind], thanks. That may not 
obviously mean "storm surge", which maybe could be inserted in the definition.

Best wishes

Jonathan

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> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:14:16 +0000
> From: "Snaith, Helen M." <[email protected]>
> To: "Saulter, Andrew" <[email protected]>
> CC: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] proposed new standard name for storm surge
>       residual
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> 
> Hi Andy
> 
> Many of the sea_surface_height terms have been used in satellite altimetry 
> for some time.
> The tidal components have been split out into 
> sea_surface_height_amplitude_due_to_equilibrium_ocean_tide<javascript:
> void(0)> 
> sea_surface_height_amplitude_due_to_geocentric_ocean_tide<javascript:v
> oid(0)> 
> sea_surface_height_amplitude_due_to_non_equilibrium_ocean_tide<javascr
> ipt:void(0)>
> 
> And the pole tide
> sea_surface_height_amplitude_due_to_pole_tide<javascript:void(0)>
> 
> In these terms, amplitude has been used to identify the ‘above mean 
> level’ and sea_surface_height is as alias of 
> sea_surface_heigth_above_mean_sea_level
> 
> 
> Also included are the terms
> sea_surface_height_correction_due_to_air_pressure_and_wind_at_high_fre
> quency<javascript:void(0)> 
> sea_surface_height_correction_due_to_air_pressure_at_low_frequency<jav
> ascript:void(0)>
> 
> The former of which is related to surge I think - it is normally determined 
> from a tidal model and is the response of sea level to changes in air 
> pressure and wind.
> 
> Even if these are not the correct terms, as you are not determining a 
> 'correction’ but a value - they should be related to the surge components, so 
> do they give the ‘due to’ component you need?
> 
> Helen
> 
> 
> On 4 Apr 2018, at 17:13, Saulter, Andrew 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> First posting to this list, so please forgive me if I’m doing it 
> wrong…
> 
> I’d like to request an addition to the standard name list to include storm 
> surge residual and tide. These variables are generated for the purpose of 
> coastal flood prediction and will be available in future, netCDF based, 
> operational products from the Met Office.
> 
> Proposed standard name: 
> sea_surface_height_above_mean_sea_level_due_to_storm_surge
> Units: m
> "Sea surface height" is a time-varying quantity. "Height_above_X" means the 
> vertical distance above the named surface X. "Mean sea level" means the time 
> mean of sea surface elevation at a given location over an arbitrary period 
> sufficient to eliminate the tidal signals. The specification of a physical 
> process by the phrase “due_to_process” means that the quantity named is a 
> single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity 
> named by omitting the phrase. Storm surge effects, due to meteorological 
> forcing of the ocean and interaction between the generated surge and tides, 
> are a significant contributor to the observed sea surface height.
> 
> Proposed standard name: 
> sea_surface_height_above_mean_sea_level_due_to_tide
> Units: m
> "Sea surface height" is a time-varying quantity. "Height_above_X" means the 
> vertical distance above the named surface X. "Mean sea level" means the time 
> mean of sea surface elevation at a given location over an arbitrary period 
> sufficient to eliminate the tidal signals. The specification of a physical 
> process by the phrase “due_to_process” means that the quantity named is a 
> single term in a sum of terms which together compose the general quantity 
> named by omitting the phrase. Tides are a significant contributor to the 
> observed sea surface height; here “tide” denotes a generic variable 
> describing the time varying tidal signal, for example as generated based on a 
> summation of harmonically analysed components, or resulting from the 
> application of such components as boundary conditions to a numerical tidal 
> model.
> 
> Many thanks
> Andy
> 
> 
> Andy Saulter
> Surge, Waves and Metocean Projects Manager Met Office  FitzRoy Road  
> Exeter  Devon EX1 3PB
> Tel: +44 (0)1392 884703  Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681 
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
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