Dear all,

[Sorry for joining in late, I am currently and for the coming two weeks 
travelling with only infrequent internet access]. 

I have just read Jim's invitation to the email list thread on 360_day months to 
come over here. In that thread I just waited for the email conversation a 
couple of years ago on calendars and TAI to come into play. But it happened 
here instead. Many thanks Jim for putting together the background text, it did 
a good job in structuring my thoughts on this. And I can only agree with Chris 
and Jonathan, this is a complicated thread and I am not sure that I have 
grasped the full depth of all aspects. Hence, the following questions of 
understanding:

1. If I understand previous threads and Jim's background text, the need for 
high-resolution linear (metric) time comes from the satellite community. Why is 
that (I know that satellites are moving at high speed)? If someone wants to 
compare a scene/pixel/vertical profile/etc. from time1 with the corresponding 
scene/pixel/vertical profile/etc. at time2, is really a 'few seconds' that 
important given the sampling granularity (i.e. how often a certain point is 
revisited and/or the spatial and temporal 'averaging' involved in acquiring the 
data)? Is it because i) the precise timing (as such) IS in fact important, or 
is it because ii) the precise timing determines the precise geolocation of the 
data (which is reasonable considering the speed of the platform)? If it is 
because of i) then it is clear to me that a highly precise linear (metric) 
calendar is needed. If, however, ii) is the underlying reason for this 
discussion I am not so sure. Is it the right way to go for CF to conceptually 
merge the need for spatial accuracy with the already complex machinery for CF 
calendar and time representation?  Should not this be handled in the data 
preparation step.      
 
2. Jim's background text states that "the synchronization of time stamps with 
the cycles of the planet, is where calendars come into play, and this is where 
things get ugly." I fully agree, and when we now are discussing in some depth 
the CF representation of time and calendars, I would like not to forget another 
important use case for CF, namely the climate modelling (or broader 
geophysical) communities. Here seconds is useful as a SI unit, but data 
requiring this precision is rare if at all existing (LES/CFD modellers using 
CF, anyone?). The two time units "day" and "year" both have specific 
geophysical meaning, where the current definition 1 day = 84600 seconds is to 
my knowledge perfectly all right for all models. But the (sort of) time unit 
"year" is differently but well defined in the model representation of the 
planet. And I would argue that this is such an important geophysical model and 
real world quantity that it should be better suppported by CF. In various 
threads over the years I have seen the argument that the Udunits time units 
month and year should not be allowed by CF. I understand the argument, I think, 
but just because it is difficult (so far) within the present CF and Udunits 
versions it should not be ruled out that easily. Could we penetrate this in 
some more depth now when dealing with these matters, or should it be another 
thread?

3. Mostly a comment: a while back there was a thread on "gregorian" calendar 
vs. "mixed_gregorian_julian" calendar. To improve clarity and precision in 
defined concepts and calendars, would it not be better to deprecate "gregorian" 
and "standard", and instead use "mixed_julian_gregorian" (julian first then 
gregorian). Otherwise it might become confusing if we end up with "gregorian", 
"gregorian_utc" and "gregorian_tai".


Kind regards,
Lars



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