goto grc.com
and have it check your ports..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:16 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> Just for clarification
>
> This person would break into a local ISP, post the general
> information about
> the hole, smtp port open, etc, etc, go to the next local ISP and
> do the same
> thing, all on the same place.
>
> He wouldn't remove the information unless it was fixed AND he was
> informed/happened across it or he was paid to fix it.
>
> This was a publicly viewable web site, and in fact the competing
> ISPs could
> even see the pointers at each other's holes.
>
>
>
> Please direct all responses to the newsgroup so that all may
> benefit from my
> lack of wisdom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Lieberman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
>
>
> > It's only extortion if there's a threat implied.
> >
> > Think of it this way:
> > 1) If there is an exploitable hole, your box is insecure.
> > 2) Assuming I don't cause any damage[*], all I'm doing is
> > alerting you to a security problem.
> >
> > It's not really ethical to do this, but it's not extortion either. It's
> > more like a locksmith walking into your locked office at night, and
> leaving
> > a note that says: "Your locks suck - I was able to pick them in under 30
> > seconds. Call me at <number> and we'll talk about getting you some real
> > security".
> >
> > Yes he was trespassing, but it's not extortion. Some might call it
> > "breaking and entering", but assuming the lock still functions
> (in what is
> > now recognized as a limited capacity), I wouldn't agree with the
> "breaking"
> > part.
> >
> > Extortion would be, for example, if I hacked your box, deleted some
> > unimportant data, and said that if I didn't get paid, I'd come back and
> > delete some important stuff.
> >
> > [*] Some companies try to claim that someone breaking their security
> causes
> > damage in the form of losses to upgrade/update/fix their security. This
> is
> > a fallacy, the hole was there before the 'hacker' exploited/called
> > attention to it.
> >
> >
> > At 06:15 PM 00/04/05 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Gee sounds like a classic mafia protection racket. Pay us or your
> business
> > >will suddenly have some broken windows. Most places call this
> extortion.
> > >
> > > - Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:57 PM
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Security holes revisited -- reward offered
> > >
> > >
> > >At 08:29 AM 4/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>So what do you guys think about part time hackers that attempt a
> breakin,
> > >>post general results on a website, and then ask for payment
> to fix your
> > >>problems?
> > >
> >
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