So I just wrote a post saying why I think everyone would benefit from being
nice to people on this list rather than being mean. But I don't want to add
any more fuel to another mini-flamewar.
All I want to say is, we're a community who should be supporting each other,
and slapping people down when they bring us information that they're excited
about is really rude and exclusionary. Shutting people out or shouting them
down because you (think you) have more knowledge doesn't help anyone. If you
(this means anyone) can't understand that, then maybe it is you who doesn't
belong on this list.....
I fully apologize now for appearing in any way rude, obnoxious, exclusive or
anything else you might thing i'm being. I just think we could all stand to
act a little more professional and kind, that's all.
cfm
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred T. Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
That's fine Philip so post it to a list/group that specializes in this sort
of thing and let them do it.
I think everyone (not everyone) is trying to say this type of post doesn't
belong here,
that's all.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:31:00 -0700
> > From: Brook Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites
> > vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the
> > webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a
> > website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a
> > list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.
> >
> > Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to
a
> > CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and
> > next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF
solution
> > cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".
>
> I agree with you and have emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] repeatedly about the
> situation and have yet to see any results. As for my thoughts regarding
> posting vulnerabilities to a public forum such as this listserv: a) many
> times the only way to get the attention of the offending parties (i.e.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is to tell the world (as I have yet to see a fix for
the
> AOL.com problem I reported to them many days ago.) and b) I would imagine
> that of all the places I could post this vulnerability, the people on this
> list would be least likely to exploit it, because as you said, it makes CF
> looks bad, and we don't want that.
>
> To quote the almighty l0pht:
> "Why keep the vulnerabilities secret unless you are going to exploit them,
> or perhaps trade them for something?"
> http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/soapbox/index.html
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
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