I just have to add one thing here...

I use DWMX, Studio 5, and Note Tab Pro all together. I use DW when I need to do 
something real quick and don't have time to bother with things. I use Studio when I 
need to use the Help section when I can't remember the syntax of a function or 
something, and I use Note Tab for everything else because its fast, stable, and has a 
kick butt clip system that I have used to create wizards to create code that I hate 
repeating. 

DWMX has and does things that annoy me to no end but I still use it when its the best 
tool for what I am doing. I think that any developer should look at the tools at their 
disposal and use them wisely(not to say that we don't already), but this whole DWMX 
thing, to me, is silly. MM changed things and you either use what they built or stick 
to what works for you most of the time.

I tell you one thing though, the Live Data View in DWMX has come in handy several 
times in helping with layout issues when real data gets put into my pages. I use the 
WYSIWYG part of DWMX about 5% of the time, but that 5% makes a big difference in what 
I am doing right now.

Off of my soapbox now, but I have kept my mouth shut since all this started and I just 
had to let it go.

Thanks,
Clint


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
from: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:40:34 -0400

so bruce, 

let me take you back a little bit, to 1994 when 
i was coding in notepad, using netscape .99 and using
trumpet winsock to connect on my 2400 bps modem on my, oh wait
386, way back, when i was a 21 yr old kid looking to make it.

i certainly coded those things, and have since coded them
until the point that...
after my 1 millionth height="" and width="", it was just a real
killer feature that i got used to.

but, i guess i shouldnt have made that statement, i was just a little
pissed. i want to use dwmx, but it was just a hassle i wasnt aware of.

damn.

sorry to offend you.

tony





-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: dwmx and image dragging.


> i mean how many real developers use WYSIWYG editors?

Please define a "Real" developer. We have several "real" developers
doing contract work where I am at who are some of the best developers in
North Texas. These guys are by far "Real" developers, and I have seen
them use the WYSIWYG editing features of MX. The reason that they do
this is because they know how to use the tools at their disposal to
maximize development. If a "Real" developer knows that creating a large
table structure or doing some complex layering is by using a WYSIWYG
feature of an application, then they do it. And since these guys do not
come cheap, we appreciate the fact that they want to make the most of
the applications they use to speed development, and in return we keep
them on to do more work. I would never think these guys were any less
developer than they are just because they are using a WYSIWYG editing
tool. 

Bye the way, if I am reading the context of your term "Real" developer
correctly, then you too must not be a "Real" developer as you seem to be
unwilling to just type in the image tag and its associated properties.
You want to drag it over to your page. I remember way back in '95 when I
taught my self HTML there were no tools available that would allow me to
drag an image into my page (maybe because that feature is not built into
Notepad). I had to manually type in the tag and its properties.

Maybe we are taking too much for granted and we need to get back to our
development roots.

Oh, and this is not a flame, just an observation.

IMHO that is.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: dwmx and image dragging.

IMVHO: very bad planning on MM's part. i mean
how many real developers use WYSIWYG editors?

we never have before, why should we now?

i cant understand how they would imagine developers
would want to lose that feature :(

poor choice, very poor choice.

wait i here 2 cents hitting a bucket, 
thats probably already full.

tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: dwmx and image dragging.


You cannot drag an image in code view, you have to be in design view to
drag images in.

I hate this as well, but you get used to it.

HTH,
Clint Tredway

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
from: "Tony Weeg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:43:25 -0400

does anyone know how, in code view, to drag an image
from the file tree to the code view?

cfstudio --- works perfectly...but this wont?

thanks

tony

tony weeg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.revolutionwebdesign.com
rEvOlUtIoN wEb DeSiGn
410.334.6331 






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