Wasn't the original conversation about apps migrating from CF 5 and people having problems with the upgrade? ... If you have apps that started on CF MX then that's another story, but again, I'd say that if problems with MX are a major issue for you now ( i.e. they're costing you money you can't afford to lose ) then chances are you placed to strong an importance on the new technology too early after its initial public release... <wagging finger /> :)
This may sound harsh, but I think if you can't afford the issues that come with being on "the bleeding edge", you should wait and let people who can afford it weed out those issues. As with all things, let the buyer beware -- it's not the merchant's fault if you're not cautious in your development. Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 > Since my applications are based on CFMX it would take a > lot longer than > 15 minutes to reimplement them with CF 5. > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:00 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC >> Drivers was > Re: >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) >> >> umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How >> about you? >> >> > I don't know how you break out developer time in your >> > costs, but I can >> > imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get >> > expensive fast. >> >> > Matt Liotta >> > President & CEO >> > Montara Software, Inc. >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> > 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM >> >> To: CF-Talk >> >> Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party >> >> JDBC >> >> Drivers was >> > Re: >> >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) >> >> >> >> So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the >> >> cost >> >> of the server >> > as >> >> a >> >> "fix" for their JDBC problems? I think there are >> >> better >> >> solutions -- I >> >> don't >> >> think any of them will result in applications which >> >> are >> >> not working on >> > MX >> >> now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to >> >> me >> >> that using >> > the >> >> ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run >> >> CF >> >> 5 in >> > production >> >> until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable >> >> interrim >> > solutions. >> >> >> >> S. Isaac Dealey >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> >> >> www.turnkey.to >> >> 954-776-0046 >> >> >> >> > You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for >> >> > 7k. >> >> >> >> > Matt Liotta >> >> > President & CEO >> >> > Montara Software, Inc. >> >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> >> > 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM >> >> >> To: CF-Talk >> >> >> Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party >> >> >> JDBC Drivers >> > was >> >> > Re: >> >> >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who >> >> >> can >> >> >> afford to >> >> > implement >> >> >> CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't >> >> >> looked at it >> >> > recently, >> >> >> but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me >> >> >> that >> >> >> was well over >> >> > 10x >> >> >> the >> >> >> cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that >> >> >> may include the >> >> > cost >> >> >> of >> >> >> the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the >> >> >> software alone >> >> > were >> >> >> terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the >> >> >> extra stuff... >> >> >> >> >> >> S. Isaac Dealey >> >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> >> >> >> >> www.turnkey.to >> >> >> 954-776-0046 >> >> >> >> >> >> > It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE >> >> >> > application server >> >> >> > implements everything that goes along with JDBC >> >> >> > drivers like >> >> > connection >> >> >> > pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having >> >> >> > JDBC problems >> > with >> >> >> > CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere >> >> >> > and see if the >> >> >> > problems go away. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Matt Liotta >> >> >> > President & CEO >> >> >> > Montara Software, Inc. >> >> >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ >> >> >> > 888-408-0900 x901 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM >> >> >> >> To: CF-Talk >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG >> >> >> >> time CF >> > Supporter >> >> > - >> >> >> > About >> >> >> >> ready to dump CF! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, >> >> >> >> > S. >> >> >> >> > Isaac >> >> >> >> > Dealey wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> Has >> >> >> >> >> Allaire / MM >> >> >> >> >> actually >> >> >> >> >> developed db drivers? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers >> >> >> >> > about >> >> >> >> > which >> >> >> >> > people are >> >> >> >> > complaining were not written by us... which >> >> >> >> > means >> >> >> >> > that we >> >> >> >> > are reliant >> >> >> >> > on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making >> >> >> >> > other >> >> >> >> > drivers >> >> >> >> > available. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the >> >> >> >> impression >> >> >> >> that was the >> > case >> >> >> >> all-along, which I guess explains why I never >> >> >> >> expected any >> >> > potential >> >> >> >> problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... >> >> >> >> because it >> > requires >> >> > MM >> >> >> > tech >> >> >> >> support getting enough data to give to the 3rd >> >> >> >> party and then >> >> > either >> >> >> >> producing a work-around or haggling with the >> >> >> >> driver >> >> >> >> vendors or >> >> > both, >> >> >> > which >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> imagine could be a protracted sort of >> >> >> >> arrangement. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Isaac >> >> >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> www.turnkey.to >> >> >> >> 954-776-0046 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ~~~ >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~| >> > Archives: >> > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid >> > =4 >> > Subscription: >> > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sideb >> > ar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk >> > FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq >> > Your ad could be here. 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