Yea, my reasons for not keeping the source code and development db copies are primarily a matter of "integrity" ... It's not so much that I'm afraid of getting sued, but that I have my own quirky personal perception of what it is or isn't okay to do with code that is "work for hire" as opposed to code I've not been paid expressly to develop.
If I earned a paycheck I don't feel like I have a right to divulge really any of the particulars of my work, wether they be functional, code or purely visual, to others. I suppose I equate it to the boss' right to privacy... Though the things I've done for other companies may not be exhibited in my portfolio, the skills I've used to do those things is manifest in my own personal projects. It seems however ( and I still don't understand why ), that hiring managers are uninclined to take seriously anything that I wasn't paid hourly or salaried by someone else to create. It doesn't really matter much that the application travels back in time to get accurate photos of John Walker Lind at the scene of the crime and paste them flawlessly into an xml document that can be syndicated in 37 languages and to 18 independant extraterrestrial colonies, in addition to providing accurate mineralysis of lunar rock and extrapolated strategies for lunar terra-forming. ;P The most I've gotten thus far from potential employers is "that's a really nice interface". And in honesty, during several interviews I've felt that the fact that I'm a go-getter / self-starter and that I have projects of my own that I persue with more than the interrest of a casual software hobbyist, has been a flaw in the employers' eyes. The one company where I did get the "nice interface" response was actually impressed by my entrepreneurial spirit but were wanting to hire someone at a maximum of about $5k less than I was making at the time at close to full-time, indefinite consulting ( not making what I usually make for consulting, but not too much less than my last "permanent" job ) -- which is actually what I'm still doing now, although the company is having a tough time finding clients / projects and everybody's grasping at straws to find ways to create billable hours. So I'm just not real sure what I should do in all honesty. I don't feel like I have any decent way of showcasing my abilities that will both satisfy my own personal ethic and the employers' need for someone who only wants to hang on their shirt-tails and depend on them completely for direction, income, oxygen, and deep-space mineral sampling. :P Though this whole email probably belongs more in cf-jobs-talk than here... Isaac Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 > I think perhaps 'technically' this isn't entirely legal; > however, I believe > as long as you are not reselling the code from the other > app, revealing > source code, or divulging a patented technology your > previous employer would > have a difficult time making an argument that you have > committed a crime or > broken a contract. > It is a perilous path, and hopefully you include such > caveats in your > contracts with employers. But lets face facts, I'm sure > most job offers I > have received are a direct result of application design I > did at previous > jobs. Its the nature of this business. A smaller > competitor often targets > the employees of a larger established rival. > As I've said, if I designed it and coded it, I don't think > twice about > demonstrating functionality as part of my 'portfolio', but > I would never > offer to resell that app or any source there-in unless I > owned the rights to > said source. And granted I've retained at least partial > ownership of about > 70% of the apps I've worked with. > Trey Rouse > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:40 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the > Job Market for > ColdFusion? > Isaac, > Why can't you put a copy of the application on your own > server > with test data and use it for a resume? I've done this > with half a dozen > apps. > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the > Job Market for > ColdFusion? > You're telling me... Man I'm tired of telling people " all > my work is > behind > someone else's corporate firewall, but if you could see > it, boy would it > be > impressive!" ... wtf? How am I supposed to write a resume > this way? > S. Isaac Dealey > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > www.turnkey.to > 954-776-0046 >> Agreed, there are several sites I have built that no one >> outside the >> client will ever see. This makes it difficult to create a >> portfolio, > but >> I'm sure there are as many "hidden" sites in CF as there >> are public >> sites, if not more. >> Joshua Miller >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:23 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the Job >> Market for >> ColdFusion? >> Vernon, there are probably many internal apps being >> developed on CF > that >> can never be viewed from the public Internet. We are >> working on three >> major ones at present, two for Sempra Energy and one for >> Ernst and >> Young. These are large applications being created to >> replace legacy >> ones. I am sure there must be other such things going on >> out there. >> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO >> Webapper >> http://www.webapper.com >> Downey CA Office >> 562.243.6255 >> AIM - webappermb >> "Webapper - Making the NET work" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
